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Help finding a queen excluder
« on: December 24, 2012, 11:16:27 AM »
Ok, I'm looking for a stamped sheet steel queen excluder.  I have the wire mesh type but want to build a cloke board. I think the stamped steel type would work better. Anyone have a line on where I can buy one?
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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2012, 04:07:51 PM »
I have a few laying around. I would give you a couple.

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 11:14:38 AM »
I have a few laying around. I would give you a couple.

Merry Christmas, Thanks kdm, I really appreciate the offer. I feel the need to offer something in return, pay shipping or something. Send me a PM about how you would like to do this. What supplier did you get them from?
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Ray

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 09:43:26 AM »
The last place they were available was Walter T. Kelley but for the past few decades you could only buy them in lots of 100.  I don't see them in the catalog anymore.  They seemed to have dropped them a few years ago.  They were handy for some things, but hard on the bees' wings.  For small applications I usually use #5 hardware cloth.  For larger things like a cloake board, I use the wire ones.
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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 10:45:47 AM »
pm sent I was not here yesterday and we had a blizzard here last night so it will be a day or two before i can send them . Hope you had a Merry Christmas

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 02:24:03 PM »
I have a few of the stamped excluder's that someone gave me. The edges of the stamped holes are very sharp. I would think that they will damage your bees. The few cloake boards that I have are made out of round wire or plastic. Try Brushy Mountain for the plastic excluder cloake board.

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 06:13:22 PM »
I have a few of the stamped excluder's that someone gave me. The edges of the stamped holes are very sharp. I would think that they will damage your bees. The few cloake boards that I have are made out of round wire or plastic. Try Brushy Mountain for the plastic excluder cloake board.

I looked at the Brushy Mtn. cloake board but I'm trying to save a few dollars this year by making my own equipment. I figured that the stamped excluders would be thin enough to fit in a single pass saw blade kerf. I have a few wooden bound wire excluders from Rossman. They appear to be double the thickness I would expect the stamped type to be and might require a second pass with the saw.

They were handy for some things, but hard on the bees' wings.  For small applications I usually use #5 hardware cloth.  For larger things like a cloake board, I use the wire ones.

I plan to use a wire wheel to smooth the sharp edges. Michael I have not seen the #5 hardware cloth. I caught the devil finding #6 mesh for my SHB traps and it cost me about $600 for a 100ft roll. Sounds like #5 could be used in lieu of an excluder.
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Ray

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 12:50:35 AM »
Ray,
I just built a cloake board. I used a wire excluder. Used a table saw to cut the grove. I just set the blade offset of center and turned the board around to cut the other side and kept adjusting it until the excluder fit. You could also use a router to cut the kerf.
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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 08:46:52 AM »
Ray have you seen ....

 Walter T. Kelley cloake board
1 wood bound queen excluder

https://kelleybees.com/Products/Detail/?id=3336333533393335&grouped=1

Add 3 strip of wood with groove and put in floor.DONE

https://kelleybees.com/Products/Detail/?id=33323332333033363330


Brushy Mountain use a plastic queen excluder
I have see Brushy Mountain for the plastic excluder cloake board and I have see the plastic break.
IMHO The End of the cloake board
 
http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com/Cloake-Board/productinfo/632/

    

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 10:12:35 AM »
I made my cloake board with some one by with the corner cut out (although I bet there is a molding that would work) and no excluder in it.  When I've used it I put the excluder on the next box down.

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 12:12:51 PM »
Michael..........

What keep the Queen in the bottom box if the floor is not in  :?

How to use a cloake board 
http://robo.bushkillfarms.com/beekeeping/queen-rearing/



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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 05:59:19 PM »
Ray I sent them today. sent pm

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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2012, 12:41:59 PM »
Just wanted to say thanks for all of your ideas, options, construction tips and generosity. Most of all your time. You guys have given me quite a bit to consider to incorporate in the final design.  I'll let you know how it turns out.
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Re: Help finding a queen excluder
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2013, 02:10:26 PM »
>What keep the Queen in the bottom box if the floor is not in

The excluder under the next box down.  But you could put a bound one under it if you like...
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