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Author Topic: Keep your hands off my rights and my guns!  (Read 13229 times)
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« Reply #180 on: December 28, 2012, 05:50:37 PM »

As happened in other countries, massive amounts of guns will be reported as being lost while boating in the middle of a lake.  Wink

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« Reply #181 on: December 28, 2012, 06:43:04 PM »

<snip> I have spoken to many State police and local police <snip> all have stated they would under NO circumstance would they participate in a gun seizure of any citizen's right to own a gun. <snip> I know that the Constitution says that The Military can not be used against American citizens on US Soil. I Know many Military people that would not do this also.

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You might add "US" in front of where you typed "Military people", John.  Remember that the US Constitution is simply a doormat to lots of people...to those people it is outdated...similar to how they view the Holy Bible...flawed and what is written within it is not what the author intended.  A contingency of UN "peace keepers" from Egypt, Pakistan, or maybe even China probably wouldn't mind carrying out a small military action against a "fortified" home while they search for "illegal" weapons of terror and mass destruction. 

I can almost visualize this country so divided that "police" from one geographic area could be used for gun searches in another area of the country...I believe those "police" would have different beliefs than what we and our LEOs have.  Those "police" would be given power by who (those that think they are above you and me and the constitution) sent them.

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« Reply #182 on: December 28, 2012, 07:02:25 PM »

also good to remember that police have a different mandate than the military.  the police do not take an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the US.
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« Reply #183 on: December 28, 2012, 09:12:46 PM »

also good to remember that police have a different mandate than the military.  the police do not take an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the US.

But they do take a oath to serve and protect the citizens of their comunity. I think It would be Hard to bring in troopers and police from another state to preform a federal directive since they would be fighting to save their own property from being taken ( the Criminals would take will they were away so they would have to stay and protect their home and family with clubs unless they were on duty then they could have a weapon.). Then United States of America is individual states working as one for the good of all the people. not like in Europe where each state is a country in its own. We the states were joined together to muster as one against outside country from invading and occupying US soil.

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« Reply #184 on: December 28, 2012, 09:45:13 PM »

Note in my post above that "police" was in quotation marks.  These could be mercenaries, gang members, senators, etc.,...

If it came down to a "do or die" situation I can see the LEOs leaving home to protect the country...but not to tear it down.

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« Reply #185 on: December 28, 2012, 10:21:21 PM »

Note in my post above that "police" was in quotation marks.  These could be mercenaries, gang members, senators, etc.,...

If it came down to a "do or die" situation I can see the LEOs leaving home to protect the country...but not to tear it down.

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I caught your quote Marks. I was just expanding on the mandate statement. LEO's are citizens that Believe in protecting the innocent. Those "police" I believe would have a hurtin coming from everyone else because the rest know how to band together when the "police" would cut each others throat if they thought they could get something valuable from each other. No honor among thieves.
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« Reply #186 on: January 01, 2013, 05:55:06 PM »

Everyone says the police would not participate in a gun grab. But remember back to New Orleans in the wake of Katrina. The police were going door to door removing firearms from people who choose to stay and protect their property. Most of those guns have yet to be returned. Read the book titled the great New Orleans gun grab. It was a sad day in our history

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« Reply #187 on: January 01, 2013, 07:09:20 PM »

Well, going back to the famous car analogy, are you worried your car is going to be confiscated also? It's regulated, licensed, registered, has a VIN. It's vehicle records are tracked and can be looked up online. You need to be screened before getting a license to operate it. It is WAY more controlled than any gun, but I don't hear any car conspiracy theories.

In 2011 here in the U.S. according to an FBI report there were more people killed by drunk illeagle immigrant drivers then were killed by rifles of any kind including so called assault rifles. So I think we should outlaw illeagle immigrants. police
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« Reply #188 on: January 02, 2013, 08:21:44 AM »

Even if you consider "assualt rifles" a cause of death (which I wouldn't as murder is murder even if it's with a baseball bat), it would not make the top 100 causes of death, and I even doubt it would make the top 1,000 or even 10,000.  Automobiles are by far the biggest killer with nothing else even close.  If we cared about human life we would outlaw automobiles...
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« Reply #189 on: January 02, 2013, 10:26:59 AM »

Keith, good reminder. 
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« Reply #190 on: January 03, 2013, 08:18:11 AM »

I think it was 2011 (maybe 2010) where there was a significant decrease in automobile fatalities in the US.   Those traffic deaths still outnumbered gun deaths by between three and four thousand.  I would think that by far, the larger number of deaths were by handguns...robberies, muggings, suicides, etc.  There are arguments (and rightfully so) that alcohol, pot, nicotine, whatever, can be stepping stones on to heavier drugs (pick your poison).  An assault weapon grab will be a stepping stone to other grabs.  So, once they get the assault weapons outlawed some brilliant scientist of a gun-grabbing nut (whether they be right-handed or left-handed) is going to have a low-wattage light bulb come on above their head and say "Duh, we need to get rid of handguns, too!".  When gun-grabbers say they just want the assault weapons off the market because that type of gun's only intended purpose is to kill humans and that they're not looking for more than that...they're attempting to pee in your ear and tell you it's raining...keep an umbrella handy.

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« Reply #191 on: January 03, 2013, 04:04:02 PM »

All of the countries that the anti-gun people like to point at as having lower "gun deaths" have just as many murders as the US.  So of course, the statistics will trickle down to the most available weapon.  Once you make it difficult to get assualt rifles, then there will be more deaths by handguns.  Once you confiscate the handguns, there will be more deaths by deer rifles.  Once you make the deer rifles hard to get there will be more deaths by shotgun.  Once you make the shotguns hard to get there will be more deaths by baseball bats and butcher knives.  Once you make butcher knives harder to get it will be steak knives... meanwhile the gap between how well armed the criminals are (who will not give up their weapons) compared to honest citizens who did, will get bigger giving more fuel to the fire of disarming because of the abhorrent violence getting worse and worse...

All of that, of course, assumes they can actually confiscate guns in the US without a civil war ensuing...

There was never murder before we had guns was there? Wink  If only there had been a waiting limit on handguns, Cain never would have killed Able...
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« Reply #192 on: January 03, 2013, 07:15:26 PM »

A letter from a marine.

Senator Dianne Feinstein,
 I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
 
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
 
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.
 
I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.
 
We, the people, deserve better than you.
 
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« Reply #193 on: January 14, 2013, 12:57:59 PM »

All of the countries that the anti-gun people like to point at as having lower "gun deaths" have just as many murders as the US.  So of course, the statistics will trickle down to the most available weapon.  Once you make it difficult to get assualt rifles, then there will be more deaths by handguns.  Once you confiscate the handguns, there will be more deaths by deer rifles.  Once you make the deer rifles hard to get there will be more deaths by shotgun.  Once you make the shotguns hard to get there will be more deaths by baseball bats and butcher knives.  Once you make butcher knives harder to get it will be steak knives... meanwhile the gap between how well armed the criminals are (who will not give up their weapons) compared to honest citizens who did, will get bigger giving more fuel to the fire of disarming because of the abhorrent violence getting worse and worse...

All of that, of course, assumes they can actually confiscate guns in the US without a civil war ensuing...

There was never murder before we had guns was there? Wink  If only there had been a waiting limit on handguns, Cain never would have killed Able...
What about overall murder rates, Michael?
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« Reply #194 on: January 14, 2013, 02:57:28 PM »

I'm not Michael, but here's your overall rates.

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,39817.0.html
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« Reply #195 on: January 15, 2013, 10:34:20 AM »

Looks like Obummer is skirting congress with executive order again.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-weighing-executive-action-guns-082740829--politics.html

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« Reply #196 on: January 15, 2013, 01:54:04 PM »

>Looks like Obummer is skirting congress with executive order again.

Skirting congress AND the constitution...
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