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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2012, 10:16:31 AM »

It was 1.89 when Bush left.
Oil is an international commodity.  As such, it is a trailing indicator of the economy.  Gas was cheap because the world economy collapsed.  Oil went to $30 per barrel.  That is a good thing only if you like pain.  The price of gas could go even lower if we closed all the businesses and fired all the workers.   Imagine that.  Conservatives who don't understand supply and demand.  evil
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2012, 10:20:43 AM »

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But most don't want to look for the real cause of the problem it's easier to blame Bush.

we have a population largely uneducated when it comes to history, politics, and current events.  lots of blame to go around for that.  parents to busy to teach kids.  schools that don't teach much of anything, let alone critical thinking.  sources of info that spew out the same skewed message day after day.  people to lazy to do their own research. 

if you have a population that can't be bothered to know the name of their own representative, yet can be enticed out to vote time after time, can you be surprised that people don't know other kind of important stuff?
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?

– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 10:28:06 AM »

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Oil is an international commodity.  As such, it is a trailing indicator of the economy.  Gas was cheap because the world economy collapsed.  Oil went to $30 per barrel.  That is a good thing only if you like pain.  The price of gas could go even lower if we closed all the businesses and fired all the workers.   Imagine that.  Conservatives who don't understand supply and demand

some of what you say is true.  what you fail to deal with are the other reasons for supply end issues.  supply, thus price, can be manipulated by the supplier.  that would primarily be OPEC.  you might have adequate supply of oil, but have a choke point at the refining end.  we do.  you might have adequate refining capabilities, but regulations added by states slow down and add cost to refining. 

one of the other reasons the cost of oil went down under bush is that he opened up drilling.  since the cost of oil is based on speculation, the speculators saw increased oil coming onto the market in the future.  this dropped the futures price.

the price of oil is not necessarily a trailing indicator of the economy, but it is a leading indicator of the anticipated supply and demand....which may or may not be based on the economy.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?

– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2012, 12:08:48 PM »

It was 1.89 when Bush left.
Oil is an international commodity.  As such, it is a trailing indicator of the economy.  Gas was cheap because the world economy collapsed.  Oil went to $30 per barrel.  That is a good thing only if you like pain.  The price of gas could go even lower if we closed all the businesses and fired all the workers.   Imagine that.  Conservatives who don't understand supply and demand.  evil

If the libs understood supply and demand and wanted to lower the price of gas Obama would open some more govt. land for drilling and OK the pipeline to Canada as a start. That would help us be less dependent on the world market. Don't you agree?
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 06:27:42 PM »

Yep

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