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« on: November 29, 2012, 04:57:41 PM »


  Well, It's official; I don't know anything.
 
I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote
for love of country over revenge.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the
bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to
still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public
system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and
elect someone who would at least try to make improvements.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our
first black president had come to light, voters would reject a man so
dangerously at odds with the American experience.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted
with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events meant something.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of
trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health
care'.
 
I was wrong.
 
Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would
support a president who left his (our) people to die at the hands of
our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about
what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie
for another month.
 
I was wrong.
 
I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.
 
I was wrong.
 
We were offered the clearest choice we've had since 1980, where we had
malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on
the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the
choice was between a man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is
the new normal and a guy whose entire career has been about fixing
broken entities.
 
We chose to stay broken. And Broke.
 
Maybe I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe windmills
will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe America
diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe a nuclear Iran won't be a
threat. Maybe Israel is over reacting. Maybe western civilization was
always over rated. Maybe life under sharia is fun. Maybe when the rest
of the world realizes that we have no intention of ever paying back
that $16,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) that we've borrowed from
them, they won't devalue the dollar, causing hyperinflation here at
home. Maybe China will just keep on giving us money and not demand our
hearts, souls, national monuments and marriageable daughters as
payment.
 
I've watched my candidate lose elections before but I've never felt the
way I did when this one was called for Obama.
 
It wasn't bitterness or sadness or even disappointment. It took me a
while to figure out what it was. Then it hit me; it was horror.
 
Pure, unadulterated horror.
 
Not because of Obama, but because of what it says about us, the
American people, that we chose this.
 
It shouldn't have even been close. Faced with the choice between taking
charge of our destiny and tackling our financial problems, we opted to
get high and have sex. We re elected a guy who doesn't understand that
a growing economy that creates more tax payers will bring in more
revenue than higher taxes. A Commander in Chief who doesn't know our
military still uses bayonets. A man who wants to control the economy
without even knowing the difference between bankruptcy and liquidation.
It was one thing to elect an unknown quantity, buying his line of 'Hope
and Change'. It's something else to deliberately choose his failed
policies over someone who has actually achieved success in life. I
never dreamed America would do that.
 
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, Hello Idiocracy!
 
Goodbye, recovery.
 
Goodbye, energy independence.
 
Goodbye, religious liberty.
 
Goodbye, liberty and justice for all.
 
Goodbye, America dream.
 
It profits a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world but we
threw ours away for cell phones and birth control pills.
 
In the twentieth century (the American Century), we stepped up to the
plate three times and saved the rest of the world from fascism, nazism
and communism. We were the cavalry, always riding to the rescue.
 
Now, we've gotten rid of our horses, spent all our money on windmills,
alienated our allies, bowed to our enemies, cut ourselves off from our
own natural resources thrown away our children's birthright and spent
their inheritance.
 
And we did it on purpose.
 
When the wolf is at the door (and he's coming, yelling 'Allahu Akbar')
we're going to find out that there is no one out there to come to our
rescue.
 
On the bright side, maybe it'll all turn out great. After all, I don't
know anything.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 09:06:54 PM »

Know I think you were right in what your saying. and I am praying we make it through for our grandchildren's sake.

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 10:21:31 PM »

Nice write up.
Are you sure we really voted him back in or were we tricked to think he was? With electronic voting machines it makes it real easy to control the out come.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2012, 12:13:13 AM »

we did misjudge the american people.  i have been through a fair number of elections.  been on the winning side with some and the losing side with others.  most of the time, it's just a shrug and move on when it's over, win or lose.  this time, the results brought a deep sadness. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 11:13:42 AM »

What a load of you know what. Revenge? Dangerous truths? Few Americans still employed? Free phones and healthcare?
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 11:26:09 AM »

What a load of you know what. Revenge? Dangerous truths? Few Americans still employed? Free phones and healthcare?


I suppose this is a pure coincidence as well -> http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 12:13:13 PM »

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What a load of you know what. Revenge? Dangerous truths? Few Americans still employed? Free phones and healthcare?


revenge:  this is the anti-colonialism we have been talking about.  i'll be honest, i didn't know much about it before watching/reading Dinesh D'Souza's movie/book.  his points made me do some homework. 
you have heard obama called  a socialist, and he is in his economic leanings, but lots of stuff about him didn't fit.  socialism is more an internal thing to a country and didn't explain his international actions...or lack of actions.  anti-colonialism does, and it is about bringing down and punishing the colonialists.  that's pretty much everyone who's not currently a 3rd world country.
it's what makes him do things like send the bust of Churchill back to England, and bow to dictators.  these things help put us in our rightful place in the world, which is = to or below other countries.  us=all those countries he considers colonial powers, past and present.

dangerous truths:  pretty self explaninatory

few Americans still employed:  slightly over stated, but here's an article on the real unemployment rate.  http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/10/11/obamas-real-unemployment-rate-is-14-7-and-a-recessions-on-the-way/

also, europe just went back into recession and since we do the most trade with them, we may not be far behind.  businesses are not expanding and are going to more part time workers where they can to avoid the cost of obama care.

free phones and healthcare:  also self explanatory.  you do know about obama phones?  which, to be fair, started before obama, but the program has  expanded from something designed to help a few, to.....free obama phones.  we pay for that with every phone bill that we get.  so, there's no free....once again.  look on your bill for Universal Service Charge.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 12:28:07 PM »

I appreciate that you try to be fair. Here's what I read about subsidized phone service (NOT free PHONES):
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2012/09/28/crazy-for-obama-phones-but-are-they-for-real/
In place and evolving since 1996.

And, no, dangerous truths are NOT self evident to me. Do you believe he's Muslim (not dangerous, in my opinion). Not a U.S. citizen? Ridiculous, IMO.

And the Churchill bust? The colonial regime purportedly tortured Obama's grandfather. Are you at least happy that the Lincoln bust sits there instead, Lincoln being Republican and all?
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 12:41:24 PM »

businesses are not expanding and are going to more part time workers where they can to avoid the cost of obama care.

Unfortunately the majority of Americans seem to be too lazy to verify facts and just believe the rhetoric this guy spews.

I heard an economist on the radio (don't recall his name) who explained how a few of the big national restaurant chains where cutting back their employees time by 20% because of obamacare.  Still needing the same amount of staff meant they had to hire additional part time help.   So obamacare causes more underemployed folks, but yet the media gives his administration full credit for the "increase" in new jobs.   What a joke.

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Do you believe he's Muslim (not dangerous, in my opinion). Not a U.S. citizen? Ridiculous, IMO.

no and no, but i do believe his sympathies are with the current uprisings in the middle east and africa, and that this is part of his anti-colonialism coming to the surface.  i believe these uprisings will leave the muslim countries in extremist hands and that the people will suffer for it.  i do  not think that obmam cares beyond seeing that the dictators supported by the colonialists, are gone.


dangerous truths:  i suppose that's a little vague, but let me try it this way:  if you had a republican running for president who had been brought up in an extreme right wing family, with extreme right wing mentors.  had gone to a very conservative college and by is own admission sought out the most conservative professors.  had never done much work for pay but had volunteered his time in extreme right wing organizations led by, and populated by extreme, and even violent right wing people........
what if that candidate went to a church and the pastor preached the black people were getting what they deserved because _____(fill in the blank).  would that make you wonder what this right wing candidate really thought about black people?

would you be concerned that this person might not be a good leader?  would you expect the press to have done a little background research before the election?  how would you feel if they didn't, or if most of the records of the republican candidate were locked away so that the public could not examine them?

then, thinking that maybe you could learn something from the writings of the candidate, you buy his books only to find out that what is written is not true....

what if, the more you found out about this man, the less seemed real?  what if he became president and began to enact his extreme right wing dreams??

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And the Churchill bust? The colonial regime purportedly tortured Obama's grandfather. Are you at least happy that the Lincoln bust sits there instead, Lincoln being Republican and all?

most of what obama wrote in his book has now been proved, to be kind, untrue.  some of us would call that lying, but....
this story about his grandfather has been researched and while it is true that his grandfather was an anti-colonialist, the majority 1st person accounts of the time in question, from those who worked with him, say the story of his arrest and torture are untrue.  the only verification of the story comes from obama's grandmother, but she's the same one who said obama was born in kenya, so we already know she's not accurate, right?

what i expect from our president is that he act like an adult.  in all our families, bad things have happened.  we get over it.  if you are going to be president, deal with what is, not what you perceive to have been some slight to your family way back in the past.  if he wants this new and improved future, he should stop acting like the black community organizer with a chip on his shoulder, and grow up.

lincoln:  i am not a big fan.  lincoln was the first president to completely toss the constitution in the trash and get away with it.  we don't know how many people died because of what he did and the entire economy of the south was destroyed, never to really recover.

he got away with it because what he did he did for good moral reasons.  enough people believed that to not impeach him and remove him from office.  the problem with this is that when you allow people to ignore the law for their own idea of morality, you have no grounds to challenge the next person, whose morality may be different.

we are seeing this now.  obama is ignoring congress and the constitution and doing it on the grounds that his programs are the right thing for the country.  it is no accident that he often references lincon in his speeches.  he is drawing a subconscious moral equivalency between what he is doing and what lincoln did.




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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 02:31:31 PM »

I'm wrapping up a lunch break at work so won't take long. I will just say that Jeremiah Wright was covered ad nauseum in the first election. To say it was covered up is simply not true.

Obama tried to distance himself from extremists in his life just as Romney did, until, of course, he choose a VP running mate.
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Obama tried to distance himself from extremists in his life just as Romney did,

can you give me some examples of how he did that?

i can't see how ryan can be considered an extremist.  isn't his district largely democrat?  yet they keep sending this extremist back?
can you give me some examples of his extremism?

oh...and you said there were more than free stuff as reasons for voting for obama, but you didn't say what those reasons were.......

in fact, the Wright thing was not covered much, or well, by most of the media and they would have ignored it completely if not for the CDs being made public.  Wright certainly is not the only extremist that obama spent many years with, and those others were not covered much at all.

hmmm...20 years in a church, with full family involvement, does not seem like "distancing" to me.  maybe not the point i was making anyway.  if he'd been a republican and had sat in a white church that said about blacks and this country, what wright said about whites and this country, do you think it would have been ignored or brushed off the way the wright thing was?  do you think he'd have a chance of being elected?

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 03:23:39 PM »

oh...and you said there were more than free stuff as reasons for voting for obama, but you didn't say what those reasons were.......
I did. More than once.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2012, 05:44:04 PM »

Funny how not spending money we don't have is viewed as extremism these days. This based on cutting spending for programs we can no longer afford to borrow to maintain.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 06:14:41 PM »

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I did. More than once.

guess i missed that somewhere.

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Funny how not spending money we don't have is viewed as extremism these days

isn't it?  no one would run their home this way, yet there are people who think it's just fine the run the country like this.  difference is the scale of the disaster when it falls apart.   once again, we don't need to speculate.  we have numerous countries falling apart having done the very same things.  do we think it can't happen here? 

of course, if you did want to cut your country down to size................

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2012, 06:22:56 PM »

hey.  look what i just found. 
yup, i am that good!!   cool

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rahm-emanuel-likens-obama-lincoln

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2012, 11:52:09 AM »

Funny how not spending money we don't have is viewed as extremism these days. This based on cutting spending for programs we can no longer afford to borrow to maintain.
I was actually referring to his views on abortion and women's rights.
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I did. More than once.

guess i missed that somewhere.

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isn't it?  no one would run their home this way, yet there are people who think it's just fine the run the country like this.  difference is the scale of the disaster when it falls apart.   once again, we don't need to speculate.  we have numerous countries falling apart having done the very same things.  do we think it can't happen here? 

of course, if you did want to cut your country down to size................


Are you serious? It's a national hobby that our economy DEPENDS upon.

Buzzbee--I haven't heard anyone here or nationally say they don't want to balance the budget. Everyone does. We just disagree on the best way to do that.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2012, 12:30:27 PM »

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I was actually referring to his views on abortion and women's rights.

i don't have a problem with either.  there's nothing at all controversial about his views on womens rights, and his views on abortion are fine with me.  in fact, i believe my view on abortion is more "extreme" than his.

i believe it is murder and the circumstances of conception do not change that.  on the other hand, since the liberals are more apt to abort, i'm hoping that liberalism is self limiting.   evil
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2012, 12:47:24 PM »

Nice. I'm sure you have a great plan for the millions of unwanted children born when abortion is illegal.

I was watching Freakanomics a while back and the authors had linked the drop in crime over the years to Roe V. Wade. I think
abortion is ugly and would rather it not happen. But I think children raised in families where they are unwanted is even uglier and far
costlier to society on many levels. As a foster parent, I say this from actual experience, not just a fluffy liberal viewpoint.
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