Constructive Beekeeping - The importance of condensation

[derekm]

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Ok.you have not get a single kilo honey from your hive.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

[edward]

Please put things back in your pants 

Honey yields depend on the environment and vegetation , some people advertise bees that collect 120kg+ every year 

Another factor is the BEEKEEPER not a bee owner doing things right and at the right time.

My mentor helped his nephew with 3 hives, he had them in the same area that an old experienced bee owner had 6 hives that gave him ca 12kg/year/hive = ca 72 kg 

The nephew averaged 60kg per hive = 180 kg  How did this happen? 

He got help and the right information over the phone how to optimize his hives.

Early in the year the old bee owner told him what he thought he should do and interrogated him on his hives condition. As the season progressed and the nephews hives grew into skyscrapers the older bee owner beecame scarce and didn't even look at him.
One can only hope that he takes stock over his beekeeping and maybee changes his way/methods to keep bees, or not, he might bee content with his substandard methods,  fine.

Same area, same bee race, different beekeepers 

Or can it depend on my mentor is from finish decedent ( not finski )

Find a competent beekeeper , offer free help , ride there coat tails , and learn how to bee a successful beekeeper if that is your goal. 

mvh edward 

[edward]

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Quoting Latin may have helped the clergy to subjugate the masses in the middle ages but in enlightened world today it is one of the last refuges of an Internet troll 

mvh edward 

[Finski]

Please put things back in your pants 

tack ska du har

but bönorna do not stay in pants. You know it, bönaboare.

You know nothing about yields. This year average yield of UK was 4 kg per hive.

I tried to make a bit fool with Mr Insulator.

I have heard the the worst insult i Sverige är fakki-idiot.



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[edward]

bönorna do not stay in pants
This year average yield of UK was 4 kg per hive
I have heard the the worst insult i Sverige är fakki-idiot

Bönorna = old slang "chicks/hot women" plural , not dead yet so still trying  

If it was a poor harvest year in the UK they should capitalize on it and raise local honey prises to an appropriate level.

Not really  

mvh edward  

[BlueBee]

Surely they got more than 4kg per hive in the UK?  Brother Adam was getting much more than that from his hives.  Nearly 100kg at one point.  Oddly enough, Brother Adam didn’t believe in insulation at all.  Go figure  

Surely we don't want to criticize somebody in the UK, or elsewhere, for wanting to insulate their bees and making their living conditions more similar to the bees "natural" living conditions?

I have seen the condensation question come up before and I have seen people claiming that the bees drink the condensation from within the hives.  I have no idea rather that is true or not, but this winter nearly all my hives and nucs have clear plastic inner covers so maybe I'll observe something worth reporting.

[little john]

Surely they got more than 4kg per hive in the UK?  Brother Adam was getting much more than that from his hives.  Nearly 100kg at one point.  Oddly enough, Brother Adam didn’t believe in insulation at all.

For many UK beeks this has been the worse year EVER. I've heard stories of some people feeding their hives right throughout the year, just to keep their colonies alive - so for many it's been a negative harvest. Rain, rain, rain - we went straight from a drought (with a hosepipe ban) to the wettest spring & summer since records began.

Oh - and as I type this, it's STILL raining - and with the ground already water-logged, there are hundreds of flood warnings in force, rivers bursting their banks, bridges washed away - that sort of thing.

Crazy weather - my girls were out flying today - 23rd November (!), and bringing back pollen.   In my yard there are dandelions, daisies, cow parsley - all have come into bloom for a second time this year. 2012 has been very weird indeed.

LJ

[Finski]

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I followed UK weather the whole year. It was terrible. 15C was "normal" along summer.

Reason was high pressure and hot weathrs in eastern Europe and in Siberia. The edge areas rained cats and dogs.

I have some zero hives too. before that I have not such hives. Basic temp was low. We hardly got  over 20C days.

What I learned from  this summer weathers was that wind  makes bees' foraging difficult under 18C weather. That is same what Australians have noticed.

Wide fields, where is no winter shelter, they are bad to bees in critical temperatures.
Hives in windy places consume honey lots when they keep  warm their hives.
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[derekm]

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Quoting Latin may have helped the clergy to subjugate the masses in the middle ages but in enlightened world today it is one of the last refuges of an Internet troll  

mvh edward  

 The English language over here has lots of foreign phrases. We even had a long running TV documentary program called QED (i'll let you guess what that stands for)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.
deja Vu
Sine Qua non
ce la vie
Bon homie
et cetera

and even foreign place names
Doo lally

cant think of any modern Swedish phrases or words though.

Pardon me for oppressing you  with my education in my own language

[BlueBee]

Quantum Electro Dynamics?

[edward]

I am sorry  I thought this was a forum for beekeeping 

Not a playground for an Internet troll pretending to give English lessons 

back to discussing bees please 

mvh edward 

[Finski]

I know latin too

lillin lillin lieru, dekemiltä pääsi pieru
keskellä kirkon mäkkee
siitä tulöi suuri häppee

[derekm]

Trolls come from Scandinavia...

Edward, I refute your slanderous insults that impune one for using phrases outside your limited knowledge of English.
surely using a well known phrase as "Quod erat demonstrandum" as a basis to accuse some one af being and internet troll (" inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, ")
is in fact the work of an internet troll. I suggest you purchase a mirror when going Troll hunting.

[edward]

For many UK beeks this has been the worse year EVER. I've heard stories of some people feeding their hives right throughout the year, just to keep their colonies alive - so for many it's been a negative harvest. Rain, rain, rain - we went straight from a drought (with a hosepipe ban) to the wettest spring & summer since records began.

To make the most of a bad situation I hope you can raise your prices.

Colleagues in the north of Sweden had a terrible season 2-3 years ago and it was impossible to buy local honey, many grocery stores put signs in the shelves telling the customers why 
The year after when the harvest was normal the honey price increased with 50%  and is still at that price  to day.
Every cloud has a silver lining

mvh edward 

[Finski]

Trolls come from Scandinavia...

Ex nihilo nihil fit

[BlueBee]

I'm learning a lot of Latin here 

Do we need to broker a new peace treaty between our friends in Finland, Sweden, and the UK?

[edward]

Trolls come from Scandinavia

This might bee the case, and if so one might expect that we have a little more experience spotting them 

outside your limited knowledge of English

I didn't know that my limited knowledge of Latin meant that I don't understand my native tongue 

mvh edward 

[Finski]

I'm learning a lot of Latin here 

60% of English language is Latin

[little john]

cant think of any modern Swedish phrases or words though.

Strewth - I can ...

"Would you like to share my sauna ?"



LJ
[trying to lighten the mood]

[edward]

"Would you like to share my sauna ?"[trying to lighten the mood]

You forgot a few things,  we don't wear bathing suits in the sauna 

  In Scandinavia even the ugly girls look good 

Maybee that's why trolls live out of sight under bridges 

mvh edward