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« on: November 15, 2012, 03:13:25 PM »

i have been less than articulate in my feelings about what has happened, but his article does a fine job for me.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50871
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 06:14:07 PM »

Painful to read,says it all. Many of us have paid attention and worked hard to stop this. Funny how as soon as Obama took office, everything was in place. Total control. Roberts pulls a rabbit out of his hat and saves Obama's healthcare law, which is the key. Obama has the press behind him.

I refuse to give in. My daughter and granddaughter mean everything to me. I think there may have to be a fight. We will have to see. Our founding fathers did not give us the second amendment for hunting and target shooting.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 06:21:12 PM »

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there have been presidents that i didn't like.  served under a couple of them.  there has never been anything like this.  even presidents that have brought about massive social changes, wilson, fdr, johnson, have never done what is being done now.  i guess they were the ones who put the fundamentals in place.....
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 06:35:38 PM »

One of the sad parts of this is most of the ones who voted for all this do not even care. And there are those like Luvin honey who don't understand it yet.
As Obama's preacher said Americas chickens have come home to roost.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 08:05:11 PM »

Obama got into office witout scrutiny. How is it, he 's caught on video whispering to Medvidev...well you know. And he is NEVER CALLED ON IT !!!

Not knowing anything about this guy, I researched. Very interesting past. Why is it the leftist in this country who claim to love America, do not care Obama has a clear history of resentment to our country? Why is it Obama appoints Communist to his cabinet and no one says a word? ( Think Van Jones and Anita Dunne). In my opinion, Obama can claim he is not a communist, but he cannot deny he saddles up and rides with communist.   
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 08:28:56 PM »

One of the sad parts of this is most of the ones who voted for all this do not even care. And there are those like Luvin honey who don't understand it yet.
As Obama's preacher said Americas chickens have come home to roost.
Thanks. I always appreciate being referred to as clueless.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 08:34:00 PM »

the reason they don't care is that 1. they didn't bother to learn about him and 2. outcome is more important.  that old 'end justifies the means thing'.  + the press avoided any examination of his life and associations, so the average person, getting thier info from the daily news, would never hear anything about him.  it did take some research and work to find out then, what we all know now.  

if you look at the socialist USA web site, or communist USA site, you see that they support obama and progressive candidates.  they are also in league with the unions which are heavily represented on their sites.  most democrats don't know any of this.  many don't care.  i guess they think it can't happen here....but most countries that have totalitarian governments of one kind or another, voted them in.  it didn't necisarily happen over night, but it must have seemed like it to the people who never bothered to see it coming.

http://www.isreview.org/issues/61/feat-pushdemsleft.shtml
the International Socialist Review

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6428
this is particularly interesting.


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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 08:35:46 PM »

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Thanks. I always appreciate being referred to as clueless.

not to worry.  you appear to have a lot of company.  + it need not be a permanent state.   evil
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 08:36:45 PM »

i have been less than articulate in my feelings about what has happened, but his article does a fine job for me.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50871
Really? I actually took the time to read this. Kathy--you strike me as a very intelligent person. I wouldn't expect you to expect me to read this with a straight face. It's not even attempting to be unbiased. This is not journalism. This is an editorial. What exactly am I not understanding, Sterling? That we have Communists in our govt? Please, give me one example. Just one.


"Millions and millions" of soldiers have died for our freedom? Only 1.5 in all foreign wars, which is appalling and also respected, but if an article can't even be accurate with that, what would compel me to believe the rest?
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 08:51:20 PM »

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This is an editorial

of course it's an editorial.
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That we have Communists in our govt?

someone in another post already listed a couple.  you can do your own research.

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"Millions and millions" of soldiers have died for our freedom?

it is closer to 3 million starting with the revolutionary war and that number is not accurate because there were many not accounted for in various wars.  you have to add almost another 50 thousand to cover them.

i think that qualifies as millions and millions.  how many more do you need?

read again for comprehension.



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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 08:53:19 PM »

I'm being genuine and honest when I tell you I really tried to understand this article. To "get" it. It's so over the top that all I can do is either roll my eyes or laugh out loud. It reminds me of McCarthy, actually.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 08:55:32 PM »

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To "get" it. It's so over the top that all I can do is either roll my eyes or laugh out loud. It reminds me of McCarthy, actually.

guess that's why we offend you by saying you are uninformed or clueless.  it is unfortunate, but that's how we got where we are right now.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 09:00:01 PM »

did you read the other links i posted.  they are right from the horses mouth....so to speak.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2012, 09:03:11 PM »

Well, if you agree to read liberal propaganda and understand it, and truly appreciate it, I will promise to try to do the same for conservative propaganda.

No, I did not read the other links. I do not read/listen to ANYthing that biased, right or left. I will not listen to liberal talk radio, ever. Just like I wouldn't listen to Rush. I like WPR because they at least try to present both sides.
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2012, 09:23:19 PM »

ah...well, i thought you might be interested in what the socialists said, but...my mistake. 

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really. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2012, 10:13:10 PM »

Luvin Honey says.... "I'm being genuine and honest when I tell you I really tried to understand this article. To "get" it. It's so over the top that all I can do is either roll my eyes or laugh out loud. It reminds me of McCarthy, actually."

Translated... I'm being genuine and honest when I tell you I really tried to understand this article. To "get" it. It's so over the top....of my head.... that all I can do is either roll my eyes or laugh out loud. It reminds me of McCarthy, actually.

That's where Sterling got it from........

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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2012, 10:26:48 PM »

iddee, you try to convince people of your way of thinking by insulting them? I don't hear anyone explaining how the heck you come up with communists in American govt. Just hurling more insults.

Many people don't agree with liberal views. I don't call them idiots or insinuate they're brainless. I "get it" that they just don't agree. This nastiness doesn't help me appreciate the conservative viewpoint and illustrates my earlier comment when I said that I cannot find conservatives who will actually just talk about the issues.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2012, 07:46:26 AM »

Show me where I said there were communists in our government. I think that is just one more of many totally wrong statements from you that brought on my response. Maybe the reason you can't get a decent dialogue going could be you aren't holding up your side of it and are only getting a boomerang effect. Getting back what you throw out.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2012, 08:39:13 AM »

iddee, the article says it. Since you were accusing me of not understanding the article, I assumed you had read it. It's talking about our President and his cohort being communist.

Did you honestly just use an elementary level insult? If my 10 and 12 year old were having a bicker fest like this, I would send them to their rooms to grow up a bit.

I'm done with this conversation. I'd love to actually talk about a real topic, but throwing insults around is way too infantile for me to waste time on. Have a household of 19 for the weekend for Opening Gun Hunting, and this is not worth it with all the cooking and cleaning I should be doing instead Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2012, 11:25:37 AM »

i have been less than articulate in my feelings about what has happened, but his article does a fine job for me.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50871
Really? I actually took the time to read this. Kathy--you strike me as a very intelligent person. I wouldn't expect you to expect me to read this with a straight face. It's not even attempting to be unbiased. This is not journalism. This is an editorial. What exactly am I not understanding, Sterling? That we have Communists in our govt? Please, give me one example. Just one.


"Millions and millions" of soldiers have died for our freedom? Only 1.5 in all foreign wars, which is appalling and also respected, but if an article can't even be accurate with that, what would compel me to believe the rest?


It was not the article that I was referring to that you not understanding. It is the big picture of where this country is heading with all the /Marxist policies put in place by this addministration and executive orders that go around our constitution.

1.Valarie Jarrett: a chief addvisor to Obama.
2.An X Govt. Employee under Obama. Anita Dunn: she said Mao was her Idol Just in case you don't know. Mao was the communist leader of China who slaughtered millions of his own people.
3. another X Van Jones.
4.Axlerod also has communist connections
5.Alan Gryson is on the list just reelected to the house.
6.Bernie Sandrs: Vermont
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMHOB8wcH8






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