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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2012, 05:47:23 PM »

To Luvin Honey.  When Gov. Ahhnold was elected he gave us hope. Said he would take on the unions and get us out of this mess. As soon as the gov. put forward proposals to get us out of the red, the unions ( in ca. unions control the leftist in Sacramento ) publicly brutalized him with the typical Alinsky attacks. The unions where relentless. Turns out the gov. is a moderate coward and ran for cover. He did nothing for ca. while in office. So, Ca. was a mess before Schwartzenegger and of coarse even much worse today. It is no secret the leftist democrats have controlled ca. for decades.
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2012, 06:02:57 PM »

The Democrat party of today is closer to Socialists than the Democrat party of years past. Obama is no JFK.Obama will not identify or confront the enemey on a full frontal assault.
And Blue,wasn't Detroit the midwests' example of unbridled liberalism at it's best? Seems they have reaped what they sowed.
Already the Dems are talking of raising more than the proposed taxes on the rich so they can do more targeted stimulus spending.They learn nothing from previous failures and further convince me they have no concept of fiscal responsibility. To a modern day Dem a tax dollar raised is two to be spent.
Other peoples money is running out.
They refuse to understand that having a fully employed population will bring more tax dollars in to pay deficits than the ponzy schemes they contrive to redistribute dollars earned by the workers and risk takers in this country.
The next minority in this country, if not already,will be the working class.
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2012, 06:34:10 PM »

Frederick Douglass:
What shall be done with the four million slaves if they are emancipated? ... Primarily, it is a question less for man than for God -- less for human intellect than for the laws of nature to solve. It assumes that nature has erred; that the law of liberty is a mistake; that freedom, though a natural want of the human soul, can only be enjoyed at the expense of human welfare, and that men are better off in slavery than they would or could be in freedom; that slavery is the natural order of human relations, and that liberty is an experiment. What shall be done with them? Our answer is, do nothing with them; mind your business, and let them mind theirs. Your doing with them is their greatest misfortune. They have been undone by your doings, and all they now ask, and really have need of at your hands, is just to let them alone. They suffer by every interference, and succeed best by being let alone.

i like this quote.  the proposition was that if you freed the slaves they would starve because they didn't know how to take care of themselves.  it was one of the pro-slavery arguments and a concern of some anti-slavery people also. 
we have taught a segment of the society, by our actions and interference, that failure is bad.  failure must be avoided and it's now the governments job to mitigate failure. 

two things come from that.  on the small scale, you end up with people who are incapable of picking themselves up when something goes wrong.  on the large scale, you end up with a society that does not know how to succeed.  to succeed, you must learn to fail.  i don't know any successful people who don't have a string of failures in their past. 

we have also created a new class of slaves.  dependent people are not free. 

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2012, 06:46:30 PM »

> we have also created a new class of slaves.  dependent people are not free.  Cry

But they vote for the one who promises the most.  Sad

 LBJ's Great Society.  The Hispanics have fallen in line also.
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2012, 07:37:25 PM »

took me a while to figure out the Hispanic and Jewish vote.  they are more closely aligned with conservatives in almost all that they believe.  why do they vote for dems?  it is the religious history component that does it.  both Catholicism and Judaism are not only religions but have been governments.  because the church, and by extension the government, is responsible for the care of the people, the social welfare state appeals to them instinctively. 

the part i still don't understand, and do not forgive, is that they will put supposedly strong moral beliefs aside for the social welfare state.  people who would do that do not have moral beliefs worth much.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2012, 07:53:45 PM »

Never mind...
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