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« on: November 03, 2012, 05:08:25 PM »

Here's an email I received today.

"According to this report, Obama on October 27th ordered the immediate removal of Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette from his command of the powerful Carrier Strike Group Three (CSG-3) currently located in the Middle East.
CSG-3 is one of five US Navy carrier strike groups currently assigned to the US Pacific Fleet. US Navy carrier strike groups are employed in a variety of roles, which involve gaining and maintaining sea control and projecting power ashore, as well as projecting naval airpower ashore.

The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) is the strike group’s current flagship, and as of 2012, other units assigned to Carrier Strike Group Three include Carrier Air Wing Nine; the guided-missile cruisers USS Mobile Bay (CG-53) and USS Antietam (CG-54); and the ships of Destroyer Squadron 21, the guided-missile destroyers USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108), USS Dewey (DDG-105), USS Kidd (DDG-100), and USS Milius (DDG-69).
US news reports on Obama’s unprecedented firing of a powerful US Navy Commander during wartime state that Admiral Gaouette’s removal was for   “allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment” that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East.   

This GRU report, however, states that Admiral Gaouette’s firing by President Obama was due to this strike force commander disobeying orders when he ordered his forces on 11 September to “assist and provide intelligence for” American military forces ordered into action by US Army General Carter Ham, who was then the commander of the United States Africa Command (AFRICOM), against terrorist forces attacking the American Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. 

General Ham had been in command of the initial 2011 US-NATO military intervention in Libya who, like Admiral Gaouette, was fired by Obama. And as we can, in part, read from US military insider accounts of this growing internal conflict between the White House and US Military leaders:
“The information I heard today was that General [Carter] Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.”

Here's a headline on each of the Commanders.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/navy-replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group-because-of-ongoing-investigation/

http://www.examiner.com/article/pentagon-denies-claims-general-was-fired-over-benghazi-attacks



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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 06:19:06 PM »

the story of the admiral is not getting out much.  the story of general ham has been out there for a few days.  there is no way to know exactly what happened...yet, but bringing the admiral home is far more shocking and should have grabbed more attention than ham being replaced.  it should have set of some immediate alarm bells!

the way this is going, i don't think either men will stay quiet for long.  when this is all said and done, i'm betting it's going to be a mess beyond anything so far in my lifetime.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 10:16:09 PM »

There are many in the military who will not stay quiet. New info. is coming out every day. I was around during Watergate. Things unfolded in the same manner, however we did not have a press protecting the president. If Obama is reelected, his administration faces turmoil. Backstabbing. People taking the fall. It could all lead to impeachment.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 10:47:37 PM »

you already have a bunch of ex military and spook types speaking out against him.  i don't remember that ever happening in an organized way.  i know that the military is very unhappy with him and that they feel he is not to be trusted.  as inept as we might have thought carter and clinton where, i don't remember anyone thinking that we couldn't trust them not to intentionally throw us under the bus.

i don't think (knock on wood) he'll stay in office, but i agree with Fox Creek that if he is re-elected his second term will be very messy...for lots of reasons.  don't see impeachment coming unless we find out more bad stuff than we now know, but i do think it will be a nasty and disastrous 4 years.

we also have to wonder if the threats of riots, etc. will come true when he loses.  Wednesday morning could be interesting.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 12:26:27 AM »

Watergate was little more than a second rate burglary. I always thought of it as a stupid "college like" prank, Pulled by G. Gordon Litty. (read his book years ago and found it very interesting). Although Nixon was unaware of the crime, he tried to protect his guys and paid the price. As I recall, it was republicans who went to the Whitehouse and told Nixon he had to go.
Now take Benghazi. Four Americans are dead. Many believe due to Obama's policies. Obama's reaction has been strange. Definitely deceitful. The problem is Obama is protected by the press and don't think for a minute you will see democrates telling him he has to go. Is it possible, if enough bad things come out and the press smell blood in the water, will they finally turn on him?
Also, I agree Wednesday will be very interesting. It is my opinion Obama follows Alinsky's tenants closely.     
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 01:03:45 AM »

we also have to wonder if the threats of riots, etc. will come true when he loses.  Wednesday morning could be interesting.
Please!  Where do you get this rubbish?  Fox "News".  If Romney wins, the Dems are adults and will take it in stride; Romney is a liberal after all.  Probably more so than Obama.   

Now on the OTHER hand WHEN Obama wins, you will see the Conservatives go back to their obstructionism and dreaming up new conspiracy theories as they act like little kids who can't take loosing.  My prediction  grin
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 07:43:15 AM »

Ya, we will see in a few weeks when the courts settle who won............
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 02:07:16 PM »

First off, I have to say, when I see a poster use, "Fox News"! In this way, I smile and  I know I can stop reading. It should never be about  the source, It should be about your curiosity of the truth. There are now many sources uncovering this scandal.   
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 02:14:04 PM »

i have gotten my info from their own tweets, posts, and other comments.  you may look them up for yourself.  you might try that before your usual knee jerk posts.  the nursing home ad was also a clue although i doubt that old biddy could strike a match.

if you are a google neophyte, try this link.  http://lmgtfy.com/
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 02:30:15 PM »

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Now take Benghazi. Four Americans are dead. Many believe due to Obama's policies.

Nixon broke faith by lying directly to the American people.  not the first time that had happened, but the first time people got to watch the whole thing play out on TV and be looked at and lied to.

Clinton did the same thing + committed a couple of felonies.  seems the American people didn't really care.

It's unlikely that Obama has broken any laws with Benghazi.  we already know his international policies are crap.  he has certainly broken faith with the diplomatic corps, the military, the CIA, and who knows who else, but if we didn't care with past presidents, why would we care now?

if obama is reelected, he'll shrug this off and continue...without having to worry about reelection, his policies designed to put us in our place.  we will have been fortunate to have lived though some of the best days of our country, and we can tell our grandkids how it used to be.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 02:35:34 PM »

i have gotten my info from their own tweets, posts, and other comments.

We’ll if you want to delve into the realm of hearsay, I can “report” the people I encounter as the most upset about this election is the Romney supporters.  My hearsay says they are far more likely to respond with violence to a loss than a bunch of “liberals” supporting Obama.  So who’s “news” is correct?   huh huh huh
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 09:51:29 PM »

BB, I think you well know the rioters will be neither the conservatives nor the liberals, but will be 99% the unmentionables, those who cannot be spoken negative about because it might ""OFFEND"" them. And it will only be if Romney wins.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 09:59:59 PM »

we also have to wonder if the threats of riots, etc. will come true when he loses.  Wednesday morning could be interesting.
Please!  Where do you get this rubbish?  Fox "News".  If Romney wins, the Dems are adults and will take it in stride; Romney is a liberal after all.  Probably more so than Obama.   

Have you not seen the ads put out by Michael Moore where the 90 year old woman threatens to "burn that MFer down" if Romney "steals" the election?Huh  Not to mention the threats from the Panthers? 
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 11:49:53 PM »

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We’ll if you want to delve into the realm of hearsay, I can “report” the people I encounter as the most upset about this election is the Romney supporters.

does not translate into riots.  never has.  on the other hand, it has often caused riots among the leftists. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2012, 09:14:24 AM »

Obama's my hero!
He killed Bin Laden,
An Ambassador
Two Navy Seals
A hero techie destroying code books
and the ECONOMY!
Now we get to have a great depression and it will
all be Bush's fault!
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2012, 09:55:33 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2012, 09:03:15 PM »

Obama isn't close to being done yet, I'm afraid. "U N" ban on the civilian population from having firearms, another way to bypass congress.  And getting congress to ban assult weapons again.  May jack up the price of ammo also.  Maybe I'm mistaken, I hope.  I have a drum of fuel for the tractor, my bees, and a country boy can survive.
 Do any of you watch the TV show  Revolution.



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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2012, 09:38:55 PM »

i like that show. 

anyone watching the aftermath of Sandy should be getting a bit of a clue also.  it doesn't take much to crash the system.
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2012, 06:50:49 AM »

Obama isn't close to being done yet, I'm afraid. "U N" ban on the civilian population from having firearms, another way to bypass congress.  And getting congress to ban assult weapons again.  May jack up the price of ammo also.  Maybe I'm mistaken, I hope.  I have a drum of fuel for the tractor, my bees, and a country boy can survive.
 Do any of you watch the TV show  Revolution.

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While Wall Street careens downhill has anyone noted the price movement of Smith & Wesson stock?  Check it out.

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Do any of you watch the TV show  Revolution.

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Canceled, I believe.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 11:25:38 AM »

Bush Jr leaves office:  DOW = 8000
Today:  DOW = 12846
Up 60%.
General Motors up 19% for the year.

While Wall Street careens downhill....
huh huh huh huh huh huh On what planet?
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2012, 12:39:29 PM »

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hope not.  it's about the only new show i picked up this year.  it's different and i like it.....which my husband says is the kiss of death   Undecided
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2012, 04:03:03 PM »

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"Bush Jr leaves office:  DOW = 8000
Today:  DOW = 12846
Up 60%.
General Motors up 19% for the year."

And gas was at 1.89 in Jan., 2008
Now it is 3.50.
The dow didn't even stay up with inflation, much less gain.

PS. THIS PLANET.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2012, 06:51:01 PM »

And GM was a private company with Bondholders.  Now the Government and the Union own it and The guvmint busily buys Volts or none would leave the door!  Drink that Koolaid! 
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2012, 06:56:22 PM »

Inflationary pressure of quantitave easing? That is printing of unsecured dollars?
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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2012, 06:57:45 PM »

This past year was the first ever federal spending exceeded the GDP of our nation.A governmet spending in excess of GDP will doom the nation.
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2012, 06:59:54 PM »

Inflationary pressure of quantitave easing? That is printing of unsecured dollars?
Blue has had that pointed out to him before, but can't seem to understand it. shocked
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2012, 07:00:48 PM »

We need 53 dollars a share and all government held stock to be sold to break even for the taxpayers. Thats not counting the interest on the money that was borrowed for the bailout. And every volt sold loses money for GM.
Dump all that stock on the market and it races down to the bottom.
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2012, 07:11:09 PM »

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The guvmint busily buys Volts or none would leave the door! 

now that you mention it  smiley  not only did we lose money on the bailout and the government (taxpayer) purchase of stock, but we continue to throw tax money down the dumper buying those crappy little cars.

 
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2012, 07:42:35 PM »

those crappy little cars.



You mean the Motor Trend Car of the year, the Automobile Magazine Car of the Year, the North American Car of the year, AND the European Car of the Year.

And I’m the one not living in reality…….RIGHT  Wink laugh laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2012, 07:57:06 PM »

This GRU report, however, states that Admiral Gaouette’s firing by President Obama was due to this strike force commander disobeying orders when he ordered his forces on 11 September to “assist and provide intelligence for” American military forces ordered into action by US Army General Carter Ham, who was then the commander of the United States Africa Command (AFRICOM), against terrorist forces attacking the American Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.  

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/navy-replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group-because-of-ongoing-investigation/



You guys are so funny.  From the abc news story:
"The Stennis group arrived in the Fifth Fleet’s area of operations on Oct. 17 to replace the USS Enterprise, which was on the final deployment of its 50 years of service. "

So Admiral Gaouette’s removal was due to his attempting to support Ham's strike force on September 11?  But his fleet was not on station in the Middle East until more than a month later.   At the time of the attack in Benghazi, the Stennis was en route from Bremerton, Washington.

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2012, 08:24:38 PM »

you are not to familiar with the reporting of ships movements, are you?
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