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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 12:25:32 PM »
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In the picture Finski is moving his future hive to canola fields





Finski's mating nucs in Finland and extraction station behind





Finski's second hand tractor and Mrs Finski keeps balance

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2012, 12:57:43 PM »
finski,

That a polystyrene is warmer a wooden hives - Fact
Tree nest warmer than polystyrene hive - fact
I dont need 25 years as bee keeper to measure facts.
How many beekeepers  use hives warmer than Finnish  polystyrene hives?  I know only two. They  are not in Finland or US.



What is the value of your facts. Price of sugar is one euro per kilo. How much you trunk hive saves winter food. Or what is ide in your trunk hive?

It was not fault that I was born in 1947 and started beekeeping in 1962.

Yes I know that you neet not some many living years to keep bees. You clear it out in 3 years. Okay!

How many use warmer hives...They are millions, because in warm climates bees need not any insulation.  

When did you changed you medication?
I cannot undestand what are you insisting. That I should keep my colonies in some tree trunks?


Measure hives? Why? What do I do then?  Should I bye British National Hives?

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you should try to make a hive as warm as a tree nest, but not out of wood. Most beekeepers have further to go than you but even the great finski is not there yet ...
If they increased energy bill for your home by a factor of 4.5 would you consider that cruel? If so why are you doing that to your bees?

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2012, 01:33:55 PM »
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you should try to make a hive as warm as a tree nest, but not out of wood. Most beekeepers have further to go than you but even the great finski is not there yet ...

I would believe you but you are from UK. They are giants of intelligence in insulation issues.

I must try that match stick method. I am eager to measure how fast the hive looses its winter stores. I bet that in 2 months.

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2012, 04:52:11 PM »
I looked at that picture 3 times before I seen the front wheel was gone! Now I get the counter balance.  Too funny but a real world way of showing you know how to make due!

Poor decisions make the best stories.

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2012, 05:19:20 PM »
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Me too. My brains did not accept first that a wheel is missing. I just noted happy people.

Then I noticed why lady is in that site.

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2012, 06:16:34 PM »
She looks like a keeper Fin

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2012, 08:23:38 PM »
Makes me feel better.
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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2012, 03:13:41 AM »
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That looks like well armed.

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2012, 11:01:28 AM »
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But those boards in front of entrance? Are they allrerady there?
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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2012, 08:11:20 AM »
Glock,
Those cement blocks on top will create real cold spots under the telescoping cover. When you get a warm day after a cold night,frost will remain a lot longer under the cement blocks. They will act as a radiator, or open window if you will, on top of your metal cover.
If the lid becomes the coldest part,that is where moisture will condense and fall from.Especially if they are directly over the hole in the inner cover. I had cement blocks on mine for the storm,but they will come off today.
 If you are  worried about the lid coming off,I would rather see a drywall screw screwed into the side of the top cover.If the fence in the background surrounds your apiary,you should have no problem with the lids blowing off.

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2012, 10:04:26 AM »
Glock,
Those cement blocks on top will create real cold spots under the telescoping cover. When you get a warm day after a cold night,frost will remain a lot longer under the cement blocks. They will act as a radiator, or open window if you will, on top of your metal cover.
If the lid becomes the coldest part,that is where moisture will condense and fall from.Especially if they are directly over the hole in the inner cover. I had cement blocks on mine for the storm,but they will come off today.
 If you are  worried about the lid coming off,I would rather see a drywall screw screwed into the side of the top cover.If the fence in the background surrounds your apiary,you should have no problem with the lids blowing off.
BUZZBEE thank you for the heads up.
 Under my tel.covers is a piece  1in. insulation  plus i have 3 hive that have that wonder coves that are made of plastic and i have them straped down with straps i can buy them for all my hives so now i need 11 more straps ya.
Finski=  those boards are so wind don't go in the bottom and theres a place for them to walk out on be hide the boards plus a top entrance is in place.
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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2012, 01:34:19 AM »
Finski, I did not know you had palm trees in Finland.  Here are a couple of shots of wood from the in-laws for bottom boards:
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n599/6minz/1950-LebanontoForestGrove.jpg
They all got on the band wagon and decided to go to screened so they went for smaller wood:
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n599/6minz/1948-PrivateRoadTrasktoCarltonAutocarTruck.jpg
but as luck would have it they caught the top bar hive wave and had to go back to the coast range for another load:
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n599/6minz/1939-ChevyTrucktoVernonia.jpg
Maybe we could just bore a hole in her and see how much insulation we have?
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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2012, 07:24:04 AM »
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you should try to make a hive as warm as a tree nest, but not out of wood. Most beekeepers have further to go than you but even the great finski is not there yet ...

I would believe you but you are from UK. They are giants of intelligence in insulation issues.

I must try that match stick method. I am eager to measure how fast the hive looses its winter stores. I bet that in 2 months.



I have measured the amount of heatloss caused by the matchstick method.  The  amount of heat  it loses is no surprise to you or me.
If they increased energy bill for your home by a factor of 4.5 would you consider that cruel? If so why are you doing that to your bees?

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2012, 09:55:16 AM »
.  Here are a couple of shots of wood from the in-laws for bottom boards:

We have everything so small in Finland, trees, roads but not trucks.

This is "Indian turn around" in narrow forest way,

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2012, 10:35:41 PM »
I watched the entire thing, it was painful! It almost looks like he had a ‘sleeper’ on the back of the cab.  A self loader also.  Those were decent size logs, about the same as we cut here now.  Most of the trucks are about the same as the in-law here (known for his white shoes on a log truck). They disconnect the back of the trailer and put it on the back of the truck.  You don’t need a video to see how they turn that. That many logs as in your video you would think they would have a dedicated loader or skidder to load them up.
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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2012, 05:38:48 AM »
Great video, Finski.

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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2012, 05:54:41 AM »
I watched the entire thing, it was painful! It almost looks like he had a ‘sleeper’ on the back of the cab.

The cost of that truck is about 2,5 milj. US dollars. That guy has not afford to sleep. He is carefull.
When the truck takes timbers, it sends via internet an information to the factory, what material and how much is coming now.

The harvester make calculations too to computer, what timber quality have been fallen down and how much. The machine measure automatically the store. Then it will be sent to factory.

My farther was in timber works  60 years ago.  Now that harvester makes 70 timber men work in a hour and the ruck makes 70 horses' work.
It spends about 13-15 litres fuel in an  hour,

Forest in the video is about 80 years old. In Argentina the eucapyptus forest grows that size in 6 years.

You may think what are the forces against metal and constructions in the temp -30C


Ponsse Ergo H7


Harvestor ROTTNE

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2012, 08:19:51 AM »
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OK....does any of this have 'anything' to do w/ OP?  I live surrounded by forest, have previously made my living in the woods harvesting logs (a lifetime ago), and witness the destructive nature of the logging industry daily, but for the life of me I don't know what it has to do w/ the original post or bees or beekeeping.  

Help me out  :-\.   :stayontopic:  What is the topic?
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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2012, 08:30:49 AM »
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Help me out  :-\.   :stayontopic:  What is the topic?

No one can help you . Less if we talk under topic. Your understanding about insulation is as poor as  Derekm's

The discussion branch came from an Englishman who insisted that wood cavity has the best insulation.
He is a man who has hardly seen snow on ground. "Extremely harsh winter", said Brother Adam. "Temp may go even under freezing point". WOW

From insulation values we can see that polystyrene foam has 10 times better insulation value than dry wood. And the beehive has allways moist or wet wood.

I should move my hives to log hive?  - So said the Englishman. I wonder why?

But I understand because British beekeepers do not understand meaning of insulation. They ventilate hives like mad.
We in north put holes shut and keep the heat in.
If we want the room dry, we warm up it a little bit and relative air moisture makes the room dry.

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Re: We in USA .....need not insulation
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2012, 09:11:11 AM »
My bees survival rate speaks for itself Finski and my winters are every bit as severe as yours, perhaps even worse so I must be doing something right, heh?  Just not according to you, Mr. Know-it-all  :-D. with nothing left to learn  :roll: 

You are a funny man Fin.

Finski;  Why must you always digress to childlike ridicule to prove a point?  Do you really think it helps your position of debate?  Perhaps you behave this way because its easier to slam or denigrate others from so far away as Finland but harder to intelligently debate a subject.....Maybe? 

As someone always 'self-proclaiming' to be a teacher and not a learner, it should be obvious (to me anyway) you have a lot to learn......at least about teaching. 

Its a good thing we don't live closer to each other, don't you think  :evil:?
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