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« on: October 26, 2012, 07:18:27 PM »

Here is another loser picked by the government:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/taxpayer-backed-solar-firm-under-fire-after-bankruptcy-questions-over-defective/?intcmp=obinsite
And I guess they made off with our money like Solyndra did. I see a pattern emerging here.  The only green about these companies are the tax dollars they are running off with.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 07:59:10 PM »

The sad thing is that most voters don't even care.


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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 08:23:33 PM »

I think most voters DO care and are POed when tax dollars are wasted.  Corporate welfare ranks high on my list of government waste.  I do think it was incredibly stupid to invest in solar when even basic physics tells you solar is VERY inefficient at the present time.  It would be like Ford investing all their dollars into fuel cells.  In 20 years, the technology might be viable, but not now and not for a long time.  We would have gotten much more bang for the buck investing a FRACTION of those dollars in R&D at the universities. 

Yes I blame Obama for this solar waste, but at the same time I blame Bush and the Republicans for wasting trillions in Iraq.  Hearing Fox “News” repeatedly harp on these dumb Obama solar decisions is like the pot calling the kettle black though.     
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 10:13:08 PM »

Well ASPRINCE: I am getting there.Do my thing and the Hell with the politiations! evil
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 03:00:23 AM »

BB, my fine beek friend, do the guys down at the hiring hall know that you watch Fox TV?   grin 
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 01:48:50 PM »

Fox "News" is just a bunch of cheerleaders for the GOP; no disrespect to real cheerleaders.

I really get a laugh out of their irrational illogical thinking.  It’s so funny to see Fox is NOW reporting on all the latest poll numbers now that their LIBERAL has tightened up the race.  You didn’t hear a peep from them all summer long about the polls since there wasn’t a single poll that had Romney within a moonshot of Obama.  But now?  Now the polls are important to them since their man has become more competitive. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2012, 02:32:16 PM »

bluebee is not watching fox news.  he's repeating talking points from the dems.  if he actually watched, he'd know that what he just posted is not correct.  DWS, the lying (w)itch of the left had a true follower.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2012, 06:21:52 PM »

Fox "News" is just a bunch of cheerleaders for the GOP; no disrespect to real cheerleaders.

I really get a laugh out of their irrational illogical thinking.  It’s so funny to see Fox is NOW reporting on all the latest poll numbers now that their LIBERAL has tightened up the race.  You didn’t hear a peep from them all summer long about the polls since there wasn’t a single poll that had Romney within a moonshot of Obama.  But now?  Now the polls are important to them since their man has become more competitive. 


No more so than MSNBC and CNN cheering Obama. You know,Candy Crawley stating Romney wrong in the debate,only later after the nation wasn't looking saying he was actually right and Chris Matthews questioning if it is unconstitutional  for Romney to question the President?  Heck I think that debate was Obama and Crawley vs Romney. And they claim they are journalists.   And now Matthews is claiming anyone not voting for Obama is a white middle class racist. I take strong offense at this. Hell I maybe would have a beer with Obama,but his policies still stink.And his lack of experience and appointing people to positions of responsiblity as a politjcal favor has just gotten people killed while they watched. GET HIM OUT OF OFFICE!!! And let the grown ups in.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2012, 07:26:54 PM »

I think most voters DO care and are POed when tax dollars are wasted.  Corporate welfare ranks high on my list of government waste.  I do think it was incredibly stupid to invest in solar when even basic physics tells you solar is VERY inefficient at the present time.  It would be like Ford investing all their dollars into fuel cells.  In 20 years, the technology might be viable, but not now and not for a long time.  We would have gotten much more bang for the buck investing a FRACTION of those dollars in R&D at the universities. 

Yes I blame Obama for this solar waste, but at the same time I blame Bush and the Republicans for wasting trillions in Iraq.  Hearing Fox “News” repeatedly harp on these dumb Obama solar decisions is like the pot calling the kettle black though.     

There may not have been a war in Iraq or a 9/11 attack if Clinton had done away with OBL when he had his chances. Then trillions could have been saved.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 09:55:34 AM »

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Yes I blame Obama for this solar waste, but at the same time I blame Bush and the Republicans for wasting trillions in Iraq.  Hearing Fox “News” repeatedly harp on these dumb Obama solar decisions is like the pot calling the kettle black though.     
Dang!...the democrats are doing a good job fighting to keep Bush out of the White House...I didn't even know Bush was running for President!!!  huh  This is Democrats (and I'm an independent who knows how to pull levers on both sides) dodging the issues.  When mud starts to stick to Obama the pundits and liberal talking heads start the Bush blame game.  When are they going to figure it out that Bush isn't running for office?...a man by the name of Romney is running for it who has ran some large businesses very successfully...he is apparently a very good businessman and this country seriously needs someone with business sense at it's helm.  The current sitting "president" had never ran much more than a toy train before he was bought into the presidency, but since then he has squandered a few trillion dollars of your grandkids' and my grandkid's money on misguided, questionable "investments" that the US government should never have ventured into and along with growing the size of the federal government.  If the economy is down why do we need more federal employees to lord over us...shouldn't we be cutting that dead weight? 

The current president has literally and politically bowed to countries and powers that we have no business humbling ourselves to.  The Obama administration has left the middle east in shambles with thugs and terrorists lining up to take control of these countries...and little democratic stewardship from the USA. 

Money is power in this world...and Obama has done many things and failed to do many things that hurt the US economy.  The world perceives the United States as weak...Russia is flexing it's muscles, China is doing the same thing, the middle east is snubbing it's nose at us, Europe is wondering if the protector of the free world can still protect the free world.  South America and Mexico have been quiet...and Cuba...makes you wonder what the Russians are doing with Chavez and Huh down that way.  Nothing has been done about our southern border with more people being killed on the south side of that border (and a few on our side) than in both of the Gulf Wars combined...but, oh, that's across the border from us...not real important to Obama.

Fox News reporting on the solar money pits and even on Libya (why doesn't the other networks give Libya much discussion?) isn't nearly as repetitive as constantly hearing the Democrats blame everything from their dog getting run over to their daughter getting pregnant on Bush. 

The true environmentalists should also re-appraise Obama's "support" of them...those "green job" fiascoes that cost the taxpayers millions/billions of dollars are hurting their cause...in the future green jobs will be hard to promote to the actual people (working taxpayers) putting money into the coffers...

Hearing the Democrat News Channels and democrats themselves always blaming Bush when they don't have a good response to a legitimate issue is definitely "...the pot calling the kettle black".   BTW, that wasn't your dog, was it?

This country doesn't have much hope unless we get a change in the White House.

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 11:44:23 AM »

I totally agree with you Swamp but for some unknown reason the libs Blue and Blue think Obama needs four more years to get things fixed. afro
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 12:42:52 PM »

Are beeks STILL stewing about Solynda?  Talk about living in the past!  I wonder what beeks think about the 550 million Obama and the DOE is giving Michigan State University to build a Nuclear Physics facility for the study of rare isotopes?  http://news.msu.edu/story/5768/  I tend to think we simply don’t have the money to be spending on this thing.  Do you think the “union” will be building it?  

Hmmmm, how many BILLIONS did Bush Sr waste on the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas again?  I forget?  Funny how that project ended up in Texas isn’t it?

As for Romney, there is no doubt he’ll also waste billions if not trillions too.  They all do, it’s just the Republicans never remember all their waste.  

Swamp why do you want US to play God and control the rest of the world?  Let somebody else do it a while.  Playing God is just too darn expensive.  We can’t afford it, we’re essentially bankrupt….thanks again to Dubya  grin
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 01:16:10 PM »

while i would agree that the government under both parties spends way to much money on way to much crap, i would argue that there is a difference between legitimate research and venture capitalism.  under some circumstances, government funded research seems justified.  for instance USAMRID used to do research on bio-weapons.  that's not something that you probably want the private sector to do.  they now do research on bio diseases.  along with the CDC, they are among the top research facilities.  this is to our benefit both as civilians and for the military.  it it were proved not to our benefit, i'd want to cut them off in a heart beat. 

it was worthwhile for the government to be involved in space research.  in fact, they had to be because much of the tech was classified.  it's not so necessary now other than what has military application because private companies have the tech, and will do a better job in the free market. 

the above is not at all the same as picking certain companies in certain segments of industry and giving them money.  my money.  there is no benefit to the industry.  none to research.  none to the tax payer.  the only justification for the waste is that it supported an ideological position, not a logical position.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2012, 03:04:19 PM »

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Hmmmm, how many BILLIONS did Bush Sr waste on the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas again?  I forget?  Funny how that project ended up in Texas isn’t it?...  Playing God is just too darn expensive.  We can’t afford it, we’re essentially bankrupt…

At least Read My Lips Bush had the good sense to bury the danged thing like the rat hole it is.... was.
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 03:08:25 PM »

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Swamp why do you want US to play God and control the rest of the world?  Let somebody else do it a while.  Playing God is just too darn expensive.  We can’t afford it, we’re essentially bankrupt….thanks again to Dubya  

Well at least you are consistant BB.  Thanks for saying Obama made a mistake by taking out Osama.
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 04:48:43 PM »

Are beeks STILL stewing about Solynda?  Talk about living in the past!  I wonder what beeks think about the 550 million Obama and the DOE is giving Michigan State University to build a Nuclear Physics facility for the study of rare isotopes?  http://news.msu.edu/story/5768/  I tend to think we simply don’t have the money to be spending on this thing.  Do you think the “union” will be building it?  

Hmmmm, how many BILLIONS did Bush Sr waste on the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas again?  I forget?  Funny how that project ended up in Texas isn’t it?

As for Romney, there is no doubt he’ll also waste billions if not trillions too.  They all do, it’s just the Republicans never remember all their waste.  

Swamp why do you want US to play God and control the rest of the world?  Let somebody else do it a while.  Playing God is just too darn expensive.  We can’t afford it, we’re essentially bankrupt….thanks again to Dubya  grin




1. NO BUSH AT ALL IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

2. Are we still stewing about what this president is doing? Yes its called a record its what the Americans are going to use to base their vote on. Its nice to see obama now has a 4 year record and people can see him for what he is a deuche bag. He is still blaming Bush, its 4 YEARS later, let it go and take responsibility.

3. I believe most do not want the US to play God. But I also believe most want the US to be the big kid on the block no one wants to mess with or cross. At this point the US is seen as the little sickly kid in a wheel chair that sits on the porch watching but unable to do anything. (no offense to anyone).

4 We had a terrorist attack that killed our ambassodor plus 3 other Americans. The next day the terrorists responsible were lounging around the pool drinking tea or what ever. This administration knew this and choose to not take action. How weak does this make America look to our friends and more importanly to our enemies?

5. Let someone else play God? I assume you mean let someone else become the superpower that controls this world? do I need to respond to that? I cant even begin to wrap my brain around that. Should we allow China to fill our role or maybe Russia? Or why stop there maybe North Korea or Iran, I am sure they will all have our best interest at heart.

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 05:31:26 PM »

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Are beeks STILL stewing about Solynda?  Talk about living in the past!...


Solynda is this years news.  The Bush Years are in the past like 12 years in the past and counting.  Wish the same was true for the Barrack O'brother years!
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 05:44:30 PM »

Are beeks STILL stewing about Solynda?  Talk about living in the past!  I wonder what beeks think about the 550 million Obama and the DOE is giving Michigan State University to build a Nuclear Physics facility for the study of rare isotopes?  http://news.msu.edu/story/5768/  I tend to think we simply don’t have the money to be spending on this thing.  Do you think the “union” will be building it?  

Are Democrats STILL stewing about Bush?  Talk about living in the past!

$550 million...let's see, that much was thrown in a hole by Obama while chasing snipe in quest of the golden energy goose.  Could the nuclear physics facility be used in CANCER research?  The "union" building it?...why that would be good pay back for that votes, wouldn't ya think?  rolleyes  I agree that we shouldn't be spending that money at this time, but I'd rather it be spent there than in another costly pv panel factory that should be financed from the PRIVATE sector.

As has been said, they all waste money.  What I see, though,  is some very bad judgement on the part of the current administration in regards to making bad investments in the public sector in which government should stay out of in the first place.

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Swamp why do you want US to play God and control the rest of the world?  Let somebody else do it a while.  Playing God is just too darn expensive.  We can’t afford it, we’re essentially bankrupt….thanks again to Dubya  grin


When someone starts loosely using God's name then I know that they are getting desperate and the conversation is degenerating so the following will be my last remark to you on this topic...

If someone has to be in control I'd rather the USA control the rest of the world than the rest of the world control the USA.

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 07:23:35 PM »

Are beeks STILL stewing about Solynda?  Talk about living in the past!  I wonder what beeks think about the 550 million Obama and the DOE is giving Michigan State University to build a Nuclear Physics facility for the study of rare isotopes?  http://news.msu.edu/story/5768/  I tend to think we simply don’t have the money to be spending on this thing.  Do you think the “union” will be building it?  




And those forgetting even the recent past of Solyndra are bound to repeat it!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 07:23:54 PM »

At least Read My Lips Bush had the good sense to bury the danged thing like the rat hole it is.... was.
Sorry, Kingbee but your facts are wrong again Sad  You haven’t been batting 1000 for a while now my friend?  What’s up?  Are you a Detroit Tigers fan? 

The superconducting super collider was canceled during the Clinton Admin; not Bush Sr.  It also wasn’t a rate hole, but would have been a very useful tool for science in the USA if Bush Sr and the Texans hadn’t mismanaged the program and caused the costs to skyrocket.   We could have discovered the God particle decades ago with this machine….oooooops….gotta be careful mentioning God anymore..... shocked
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