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« on: October 24, 2012, 07:03:14 AM »

It's not enough that our government is legislating what size meals we buy,tax the fat content and such.
Now they are monitoring childrens activities 24 hours a day. This is just a start folks. This is meant to track the physical activity,but I am sure it will be expanded. this will condition a future generation to get used to the idea of letting government track all your daily activities.
In the not so far away future I can see them taking kids from their parents because of what they alone will decide is not enough activity outside of school hours.
http://www.infowars.com/big-brother-in-st-louis-schools-plan-to-monitor-student-activity-at-home/
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 11:24:10 AM »

When I was in grade school there were no more than 2 fat kids in my class.  Most of us were skinny as rails.  Have you seen the size of kids lately?  People are not being responsible and society will end up paying a huge bill because of it.  

Whom do you think will be stuck with their health bills in the future?  At the present time, the Government.  If they’ve (we’ve) got to pay for bad habits, then I would vote that they (we) have some oversight and control over bad habits.  To which I’m sure our beeks will reply, the Government shouldn’t be paying for the future medical bills.  Fair enough, but even if medicare is eliminated in the future, the bills for unhealthy living won’t disappear.  They will be a massive drag on the economy one way or another.

Why should my future be diminished because everybody else is eating 1200 calories a pop for each meal at the local fast food outlet?
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 12:00:43 PM »

Fascist and other Socalist governments always think that they know better how to map out peoples' lives for them than the citizens themselves know.  If anyone thinks otherwise, a short study of State intervention into the lives of citizens under both Communist Socalism and under National Socalism is in order.

Even poor old ultra leftist George McGovern who President Richard Nixon whipped like a Red Headed step child in the 1972 Presidential election came to view government regulations in an entirely different light after he moved next door to the only state to vote for him in 1972 and oppened a bed-and-breakfast.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 03:58:17 PM »

 The fat kids when I went to school were in about the same ratio, and few had any assistance from the gov. As the years slipped by, and the gov did more and more, the kids and adults became fatter and less healthy. Now the gov wants to do even more so they can get even fatter and less healthy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 05:46:49 PM »

How many of these 'Fat " kids are on public assistance? Heck,you can't even limit drug abuse on the food stamp program, let alone what they can purchase at the store.
But once again,maybe some of the government programs are the source of our troubles,not the cure. You can not do anything competitive at school levels for fear of offending someone. No Dodge ball,no cowboys and Indians,no games with winners and losers. No wonder kids are inactive. there is no desire to win or "succeed". If hard work  is only able to be compensated the same as laziness,these are the seeds we shall reap.
For God sake,these kids have parents that should be feeding them proper,it is not governments responsibility!!
Will you be willing to let the government come in your home to make sure you wipe properly? I wouldn't want to chance maybe you would touch the fruit at  the store after an unsanitary incident. We all know I should not be responsible enough to wash fruit I buy because someone was uncleanly before I got it.

Every responsibility given to the government is another freedom lost.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 05:54:52 PM »

Why should my freedoms be diminished because some see fit to let the government run their lives. Be wary of anything done for your own good by the Fed.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 06:13:49 PM »

Perhaps this indoctrination will open your eyes?
School children sing praises to their savior Obama
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 07:36:08 PM »

BlueBee,
I think you lay out the exact argument being heard today.  But, most of these “we pay” problems began with the government providing a service to the people of this country. A service that was being provided by the people them selves.  It starts with "we" can do it better. We can do it cheaper. We can pay for you health care, we can pay for your food, we can provide your education. 
Once the “We are paying” is started, then the “We must regulate” begins. 
We are actively blurring the choice-consequence and/or cause-effect connection of decisions that are made.  We are moving more and more away from personal responsibility and towards government criminal regulation of every aspect of life.
Seems that there is only one choice the left believes should be free from any governmental regulation.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 08:06:08 PM »

If food stamps were cut out completely, 95% of obesity would disappear.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 09:44:39 PM »

I agree some, but I think 95% is way high. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2012, 01:38:42 AM »

What beeks seem to miss is this:  Our financial freedom is tied to the good (or bad) behaviors of our society.   Say y’all are right (ha) and Obama has us headed in a more socialistic path similar to Europe.  If that is the case, then our burden for bad behavior (ie kids eating 1200 calories a pop) will be higher taxes to cover the future medical costs.  If Romney wins and we head to the beeks dreamland/fantasy land of Laissez Faire, we STILL end up paying for the cost of the bad behavior.  In this case, we pay for it in much higher private insurance premiums.  Either way, we responsible beeks end up paying the bill for the fat kids.  Either way, others bad behavior ends up “redistributing” the dollars from YOUR pockets to theirs.  Isn’t that the number one thing beeks are opposed to?  That dreadful “redistribution”?

So now I’m confused again huh  Are you now saying that future redistribution/communism is OK as long as the feds don’t interfere with the 25 grams of saturated fat the kiddies are consuming today at the local fast food joint?  Y’all do know we’ve gone down this path with cigarettes already, right?
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2012, 06:44:38 AM »

No consequences for your own actions only produces more bad actions. The government is trying to make it only consequential if you are a responsible person. You are forced to finance others bad decisions. And those who constantly make bad decisions? Don't worry,everyone else will take care of you.
I have no problem helping those that need a hand up through no fault of their own. Or maybe once or twice otherwise. But those constantly looking for that next handout are destroying this country and any compassion for charitable giving.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2012, 01:50:07 PM »

OK, if you want to make it “consequential” for the people eating too many calories/fat, I assume you support a tax on excessive calories/fat? 

The problem with excessive calories and fat consumption is the health consequences don’t show up for decades (although type 2 diabetes is now showing up in teens).  Surely you remember 16?  How many of us thought we were immortal at 16?  If you think you’re immortal, are you going to worry about eating double cheeseburgers, fries and regular coke every meal?  Of coarse not.

I read Barry Sanders autobiography last spring and heck even he was eating cheeseburgers and Twinkies as his main course of food during his early career with the Lions!  People just think they’re invincible until they hit their mid 30s.  All that bad behavior is going to cost us Trillions in the future. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2012, 02:15:10 PM »

I do not think it is a crime to eat 4000 calories a day.   I like to eat.  But I do burn them jokers off with everything I do in a day also.  A half gallon of ice cream that I eat after supper should not be any concern of the government.  Only my wife should complain about not getting her share of the ice cream.  At 39 and 6 foot, 185, I have slowed down a little, but I can give most teens a run for their money.  I do not want the government at my table, in my house, or in my life, dictating every little thing I do.   If so, I would put on a diaper and move back home to mother.   
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2012, 06:26:19 PM »

... OK, if you want to make it “consequential” for the people eating too many calories/fat... I assume you support a tax on excessive calories/fat? ...


The problem is Americans' obesity is being exacerbated by statements made by my friend Bluebee.  Now he isn't doing this from any nefarious plan, he has just hung around extreme Left-wing-nuts-jobs to long and has adopted many of their talking points.  Yes sugar is fattening, I freely admit that it is.  The "healthy" whole grains, nuts and legumes pushed by Leftist fringe groups like the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) are worse than sugar of High Fructose Corn Syrup because of the increased amounts of all grains and carbohydrates consumed relative too sugar.

Conversely good old fashion fat is not as fattening (meaning likely to stick to your waist) as organic whole wheat sour dough bread unless you eat as much fat as you eat bread.  In fact foods like bacon, eggs, steak, cheese, hamburger meat, fried chicken, dairy, fried fish, or even mayonnaise are less fattening than say rice, flour, potatoes, corn meal, grits, or almost every carbohydrate you can name.  As for those healthy nuts and legumes your always hearing HSUS and PETA tout, most of them are 40% or greater fat but far less fattening and maybe better for you than all those delicious, nutritious whole grains. 

If your kids come home from school and want a snack don't pull out the Granola Bars or a trail mix you saw in Mother Jones Magizine, instead fry them up a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich, just hold the bread.  Animal based foods in reasonable amounts are diet foods, pure and simple.  Carbohydrates in significant amounts are fatting.  If you doubt my word look at the rations given to feeder lot beef cattle being fattened for the slaughter.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/food.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-carbohydrate_diet
Click on the above link to find out more.
Of course the self loathing kernel inherent in Puritanism is partly responsible for HSUS & PETA and for our obesity today.
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2012, 07:11:19 PM »

Nope,not in favor of fat tax. But here is where the free market could work if allowed. If people decide to be overeaters,let them pay more for their insurance like smokers often have too. People in high risk occupations pay more than others for accident insurance. I think people that lead a healthy lifestyle should have the privilege of lower insurance rates.
The government was supposed to be recovering cancer costs with the tobacco taxes. How is that working out? More revenue for the general fund. Not direct recovery of health costs due to smoking.
 I am not a smoker,but was not in favor of the tobacco tax either. It is another non proportional tax and this was one the Clinton administration leveled heavily on the poor "for their own good".
Again,here people assume the risk,and not an uninformed risk,when they decide to light up. And if the government were really concerned about the health issues they would have outlawed it,not taxed something people won't give up readily.The tax revenue must far outpace any real cost to the healthcare system by this action.

And in the original post I think it is all the children,not just the obese ones. Why are skinny kids being monitored hmmm?
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2012, 07:58:30 PM »

Again, it's the freeness, not the food. If all had to earn their grocery money, obesity would be nearly non-existent. The left keeps increasing the food rations without controlling either the amount or quality. What, other than obesity, can they possibly expect?
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 10:08:00 AM »

Again, it's the freeness, not the food. If all had to earn their grocery money, obesity would be nearly non-existent. The left keeps increasing the food rations without controlling either the amount or quality. What, other than obesity, can they possibly expect?
iddee, you've mentioned this a couple of times and I (and probably many others) are in complete agreement...you're square on track.  Way back when, folks didn't get "stamps", or as the norm is now...a "card" to go "buy" groceries with.  They lined up, yes, they had to actually *wait their turn* to get rations of food in brown paper bags and shiny metal cans with ink-stamped descriptions of what was inside the containers.  They got what was deemed a month supply for *their size family's needs*.  Sometimes they had "extras" of stuff...maybe you'd get an extra can of peanut butter (and that was some mighty good peanut butter!!!), extra cheese, or maybe an extra box of butter....man, talk about that syrup and butter over some cathead biscuits!!!!  Good things came out of those brown cardboard boxes that were brought home. applause 

If a family wanted more than what they carried home in the cardboard boxes then they could do one of two things (or both)....either work and purchase the extra items from the grocery store or grow it themselves.  Many families lived on these staples and were healthy and not fat.  The commodity program even helped <shudder> support the American farmers.  Nowadays, people simply pull up to the checkout at the grocery store with their cart straining under the weight of supporting the rib-eyes, pork loins, ice-cream, twinkies, sugar cereal, cola drinks, etc., that they've got piled up high (and I mean high!).  Me, I'm standing behind them counting my money (the green, folding kind) up for the gallon of milk, loaf of bread, and bannanas....all the time knowing that the money coming out of the card the person in front of me is swiping is paid for by the sweat of my brow.  angry  No, I don't like it, not a bit....and I'll use that 95% figure that iddee threw out earlier...watch those people swiping the magic card...I would wager that 95% of them are overweight and most to the point of obesity...and don't forget to look at the kids who are following their fat, health care demanding lead.  The kids are being taught that this is the right thing to do...they know no better and the deadly, irresponsible cycle continues.

Government intervention?  Sure, let'em intervene and allow only ground beef and whole chickens to be put on those government cards, generic brands only, have a set calorie allowance per person per day on that card...when they buy their food make them responsible for stretching *our* dollars.   

I'm all for helping folks who are down and out...I'm not for adopting and supporting them their entire life.  If suddenly they start getting a bit cramped in their lifestyle they might decide they *could* flip some burgers at McDonalds or could man the checkout at the local 7-11 store.  In our small business, over the last five years we've probably had only a half dozen folks come in looking for work.  As long as the government furnishes them more than *the basics* most of these folks are content to let the government be their sugar daddy. 

Seems this strays off from the subject title, but remember...the children are watching.  My father's business sat across the street from our county DHR office for probably 30 years.  I grew up watching families go in to "qualify" and "re-qualify" for DHR's services....I've seen as many as 5-generations get out of one car and go inside the DHR office.  We have a segment of society who have learned, been trained, brainwashed, gum-dipped, whatever, into clinging on to their government programs and debit cards and resisting true freedom from dependency.  There is a minority of folks benefiting from government programs who deserve the help, appreciate the help, and would love to go to work and cut the tie to the government...but these are a very small minority...thankfully, the children are watching those, too.

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 10:37:58 AM »

intheswamp, you KNOW no one would take advantage of our wonderful government. Just ask one of the blues.





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