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Offline minz

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Lumber is dried, now what?
« on: October 12, 2012, 05:17:48 PM »
I have some air dried hemlock that is reading below my cheap moisture meter (8%) and ready to plane it and sell as rough, planed, or bee equipment.  Should I pull the stickers, plane it first, or sticker it after I plane it? I could get the pile into half the size of a more stable pile and have less checking but the moisture would be set. End of a long dry summer here and we are going into our usual moderate wet winter (rain started today).  I have 1400 BF so it is a decent size stack and project ahead of me.
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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 10:15:17 PM »
OK, you lost me on the stickering?  What are these stickers you’re talking about?

Not clear either what your intentions for the wood are?  Are you making hive bodies?  Selling rough sawn wood?  Selling planed wood? 

Finally I didn’t know Hemlock was abundant in the Northwest?  We have eastern hemlock here (Tsuga Canadensis).  What kind of Hemlock do you have?

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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 11:09:49 PM »
At 8% (the drying is done) at does have to be on sticker but at will not hurt it at all just plane it and take the sticker out after you plane it and pile up.


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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 10:44:34 AM »
At 8% you're golden, no need to sticker anymore but, as Jim says, we keep it stickered until planed...helps keep the pwdery mold down.

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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 12:54:25 PM »
OK, you lost me on the stickering?  What are these stickers you’re talking about?Not clear either what your intentions for the wood are?  Are you making hive bodies?  Selling rough sawn wood?  Selling planed wood?  

Finally I didn’t know Hemlock was abundant in the Northwest?  We have eastern hemlock here (Tsuga Canadensis).  What kind of Hemlock do you have?


BlueBee... The 1"Sq. sticker you stack the lumber on

Pix of lumber on stickered so the wood can dry

http://www.irionlumber.com/uploads/images/What%20we%20do/Stickered%20cherry%20small.JPG



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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 06:34:37 PM »
Thanks for the photo of what 'stickering' is.  I didn't know the lingo; now it makes a lot more sense.

Now here's a related question for our lumber guys:  Why isn't the 'pressure treated' / 'green' lumber stickered at the big box stores?  I bought some 4x6 beams last week that were literally dripping water!  Man those things were heavy.  

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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 07:36:33 PM »
You wouldn't sticker it to keep it dry, you would sticker it to keep it from warping.  Big box stores have bundled lumber and they break the bands when they bring it in.  Some times its stickered, most times its not.
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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 11:14:04 PM »
You wouldn't sticker it to keep it dry, you would sticker it to keep it from warping.  Big box stores have bundled lumber and they break the bands when they bring it in.  Some times its stickered, most times its not.


  The lumber you buy at big box stores is all ready dry and planed  


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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 11:44:55 PM »
How else do you kiln/air dried green lumber by not using stickered  :?



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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 08:37:17 AM »
Thanks for the photo of what 'stickering' is.  I didn't know the lingo; now it makes a lot more sense.

Now here's a related question for our lumber guys:  Why isn't the 'pressure treated' / 'green' lumber stickered at the big box stores?  I bought some 4x6 beams last week that were literally dripping water!  Man those things were heavy.  

After the lumber has been 'pressure treated' at looks green in color  
To me green lumber as not a color it is the a mount of moisture in the lumber
If you go to a sawmill green lumber is the a mount of moisture in the lumber
If you go to retail store green lumber is 'pressure treated'
Have you every hear of green fire wood or dry fire wood  :?
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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 10:16:46 AM »
BlueBee - Whenever I buy 2x or treated from the lumber yard, I sticker and weight just as if it were green; unless I plan on nailing it down as soon as I get it home. We have Eastern Hemlock here on the farm but quite often shows ring shake on the larger trees. And is not as workable as pine. I'm wondering how the properties of Western Hemlock might differ.
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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 05:23:20 PM »
We have Eastern Hemlock here on the farm but quite often shows ring shake on the larger trees. And is not as workable as pine. I'm wondering how the properties of Western Hemlock might differ.
It'll shake the other way? :-D

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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 04:28:49 PM »
Well pulled out a couple of dozen boards, mostly 10”+, where the pith (heart of the tree) the grain checked in several directions.  It did not seem to run into the quarter sawn grain though. PeeVee, is that what you mean?  I have a 13” dewalt planer and it bogged down worse on the hemlock than on the walnut.  I figure my blades need sharpening. 
Now I am thinking of a different project other than more bee boxes. Look for the new post today for something to do with all of the 2” apples I have. For some reason my apple trees seem to have got over pollenated and every blossom turned to an apple (I have about a full size hive per dwarf tree).
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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2012, 02:12:42 PM »
For some reason my apple trees seem to have got over pollenated and every blossom turned to an apple (I have about a full size hive per dwarf tree).
Sounds like you have too many bees!!!

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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2012, 11:42:25 PM »
Winter will fix that for me.
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Re: Lumber is dried, now what?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2012, 01:28:42 PM »
minz- In hemlock ( seems to be more than any other specie far as I know) the annular rings themselves are "detached" and a board will come apart. This is more than just the checking you see in other lumber. I've heard that it may be a bacterial issue. Doesn't affect all trees.
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