What do we do after the election?

[buzzbee]

I am sitting back wondering where our topics of conversation will meander to after the election. Sure,we'll have the arm chair analyzing afterwards,but the topics meander off in other directions more often. I may start on a list of discussions to debate and analyze in the lulls.
This is enjoyable to me,although I will probably work on a non political list if that is at all possible!!!

[AllenF]

I will be worrying about how much work I will have lined up to do and trying to find enough help to get those jobs done since Mitt is elected and everyone started spending money on long awaited projects again.  With the economy running again, I will probably have to buy another truck or two. 

[kingbee]

Will Obama face off against Hillary again in 2016?

[hardwood]

That's a moot point Ken seeing as how the world will end on 12.21.12 anyway 

Scott

[bluegrass]

That's a moot point Ken seeing as how the world will end on 12.21.12 anyway 

Scott

If we had a vote for best post... this would get mine

[bluegrass]

Things get busy for me late fall... Prep hives for winter, start taking orders for packages, putting woodenware together for 2013... The forums will fall to the wayside for much of the winter... It is a fun waste of time though; fruitlessly trying to change somebody else's perspective.

[sterling]

If Mitt does get elected there will be plenty to talk about with Obama, Hillary and Harry Reid trying to push a bunch of UN treaties through in the lame duck period.

[bluegrass]

UN treaties are not law in the USA and do not effect citizens in the US... so what would the point be? 

[AllenF]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/12060-un-arms-treaty-would-impact-second-amendment-rights

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/un-finalizes-arms-trade-treaty-opponents-warn-global-gun-grab

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/

[bluegrass]

That is where I thought this was going... Regardless of your sources... this has been debunked already..

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/still-no-international-gun-ban-treaty/

[David McLeod]

I will be worrying about how much work I will have lined up to do and trying to find enough help to get those jobs done since Mitt is elected and everyone started spending money on long awaited projects again.  With the economy running again, I will probably have to buy another truck or two. 

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[David McLeod]

I'd like to see some serious talk of rounding up traitors starting with the former administration and it's supporters. Not really but something has to be done to keep the asinine morons among us from ever putting us through another four years like the past four.
We could start by lining up the undecided independent voters and........

[BlueBee]

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If the people sitting on piles of cash haven’t been motivated to get out of the cash by now, I think its wishful thinking to believe they will after November; no matter who wins.  Getting people to spend cash is the whole premise of the Feds QE1, QE2, and QE3.  By printing money they are trying to weaken the dollar and make those piles of cash people are hoarding worthless (or worth LESS).   If that isn’t motivation enough to spend cash, what is?

[BlueBee]

We will probably all be too busy celebrating the Obama recovery to even log on 

[kingbee]

... treaties are not law in the USA and do not effect citizens in the US...

You must be mistaken.  My copy of the US Constitution, in Article 6 clearly states....

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." 

It seems pretty clear to me that all treaties made with any and ever foreign entity or power SHALL superseed the Constitution of the United States as well as every state constitution and state or federal law. 

[bluegrass]

Seeing as you like history so much...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties

Treaty's are International law... If the treaty we are talking about here was agreed on and Ratified by 2/3rds of the Senate it would restrict international trade of firearms...The only way it would impact you or I is that Russian 223 ammo might be harder to get...

The US and Russia both rejected the UN's Arms Treaty back in July.. so it is a mute point anyway.

But firearms and ammo manufacturers could use the business so run out and stock pile again like in 2008... 

[BjornBee]

I am sitting back wondering where our topics of conversation will meander to after the election. Sure,we'll have the arm chair analyzing afterwards,but the topics meander off in other directions more often. I may start on a list of discussions to debate and analyze in the lulls.
This is enjoyable to me,although I will probably work on a non political list if that is at all possible!!!

Hey don't worry Buzz.
Yes, winter will be a sleeper this year after the elections.
You just give the nod, and I'll pull some out and start some crap to keep folks busy. 

How much wiggle room you gonna give me? 

[buzzbee]

Be careful Mike!!!!

[buzzbee]

Restricting freedoms incrementally seems to be the way they get things done. Just a partial wrap of the rope around the neck each day until the noose is tied enough on the unsuspecting,then WHAM out goes the floor from under. Dang,some never see it coming.
Most restrictive regulations start as a small tidbit of what looks like good intentions then snowballed into onerous regulation.Sure it's seems logical to outlaw Russian ammo to some. But then lets limit the automatic rifles. then the semiautomatic. Oh heck,now the handgun can be dangerous. Bye bye. What the heck does any one need a rifle for,we can farm raise our food and there arent many wild animals we need protecting from.While we are at it,perhaps there are other freedoms we really do not need.
Any time the government passes a regulation or law,look at what it may restrict next.It may be a freedom you enjoy and your neighbor despises.

Our nation should be very cautious about signing on to any treaty that originates in the UN.It is a very hate America group.

[bluegrass]

One thing I have taken from politics in this nation is that nobody does Much unless their is some monetary gain. Some of the most conservative states have the most restrictive gun laws... a very liberal state like VT doesn't have any Gun laws on the books. Our history shows that on the Federal level very little ever gets done on gun control... Every thing happens on a state and local level and that largely gets ignored.

Most of the rhetoric that is put out is scare tactics and nothing more.

Take Romney for example... He had an F rating from the NRA as Governor. He decides to be the pro gun candidate in the Presidential race and he buys a life membership to the NRA... They don't just hand those out... I have one and you have to meet certain requirements to get one.
Romney isn't a retired vet.
Romney isn't a wounded warrior.
and I doubt he has a family member who is a life member who referred him... But he was still able to buy his way in... There used to be a bunch of anti-Romney articles archived on the NRA's site from his Governor run... those have all been purged... 

Over the last several years I have lost a lot of respect for the NRA and their agenda... Their change of heart for Romney has evaporated any last bit of respect I had left...

I live in a very restrictive state on firearms... But less than a mile from home I have a gunshop who deals in fully auto weapons. (formerly known as class 3) With a signature from the sheriff and a 200.00 application fee I can purchase a Thompson or a BAR and walk out with it in as little as ten days.   

I fully expect that the Russian and Serbian .223 ammo will end up being restricted... Not to save lives or grab guns, but because it is .25 a round and the domestic stuff is 1.50 a round. If you want to know what is going to go down on your 2nd rights.. follow the money trail.

 

[iddee]

I don't know where you get your info, but my son is a lifetime member and is also the only family member who is an NRA member.

As for a fully auto firearm, it has always been my understanding that a federal license was required to own one. Please show me otherwise.

[kingbee]

... Treaty’s are International law... If the treaty we are talking about here was agreed on and Ratified by 2/3rds of the Senate it would restrict international trade of firearms...The only way it would impact you or I is that Russian 223 ammo might be harder to get... The US and Russia both rejected the UN's Arms Treaty back in July.. so it is a mute point anyway... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty

Above is information from Wikipedia concerning the UN “Small Arms Treaty.  Read it and determine for yourself whether you agree with bluebee’s assessment that the UN Small Arms Treaty is not a danger to the Second Amendment.  I feel it is on a par to the proposed UN treaty to outlaw speech critical of Mohammedism.  While giving Mohammedism a free hand to an attack Christianity, Judaism and Atheism.   Of course death is proscribed for gays and adultery as well as Atheist.  This proposed second UN treaty is a direct attack on religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, a free press as well as the pursuit of happiness and personhood.   By the way, under the proposed UN pro-Mohammedan treaty, Muslims can ban abortion since it can be viewed as a human attempt to frustrate the will of Allah.     

Below find a part of The United Nations Small Arms Treaty:
I have taken the liberty (This liberty may be my last acts of liberty) to highlight some of the language in this treaty.  While I can not find anywhere in the United Nations Small Arms Treaty that specifically mandates the confiscation of your pistol, revolver, shotgun, or rifle; I also can not find anything that would prevent the UN from confiscating your firearms or that would entitle you to buy ammo.  But do remember that the United Nations and various trade agreements endorsed by the UN, do require that the United States stands by while your job is exported to a third world dictatorship under the guise of fair trade.

The UN Small Arms Treaty (in part)
"Loopholes would be minimized. It would include:
all weapons —including all military, security and police arms, related equipment and ammunition, components, expertise, and production equipment;
all types of transfer—including import, export, re-export, temporary transfer and transshipment, in the state sanctioned and commercial trade, plus transfers of technology, loans, gifts and aid; and all transactions—including those by dealers and brokers, and those providing technical assistance, training, transport, storage, finance and security.
It must be workable and enforceable.
It must: provide guidelines for the treaty's full, clear implementation; ensure transparency—including full annual reports of national arms transfers; have an effective mechanism to monitor compliance; ensure accountability—with provisions for adjudication, dispute settlement and sanctions; include a comprehensive framework for international cooperation and assistance.

That last line in red could be read to allow say a Bengasi peace keeping force to toss you home, trash your possessions, and sexually assault your wife while searching for an illegal 45/70 Government rifle or ammo.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/2/obama_admin_helps_undermine_un_arms

This treaty is what President Obama was talking about when he begged Vladimir Putting for forbearance so Obama could have more FLEXIBILITY after the November 6th elections.  If he wins this electionhe will destroy the US Constitution which he says is a collection of nothing but NEGITIVE rights.. 

You may view the failure of the Russian American Arms treaty as a victory but I must ask, "A VICTORY FOR WHO?"  It is certainly not a victory for a free people or for Americans because our President seems to be on board this treaty as soon as it can’t harm his reelection bid.  I would appreciate feed back from the above video.  As well as the Obama audio and video tape links below.

Obama Constitution Negative Liberties.flv

 

Reconsile this y'all

Obama Caught "On Mic" Off Mic with Russian President !

[kingbee]

As soon as Yugoslavian and other inexpensive imported ammo is banned, it will be child's' play for an Obama Ammo Czar to kill domestic production like Obama killed domestic oil and gas production on Federal Government land.

Barrack H. Obama has surely taken the famous Communist folksinger, Woody Guthrie's lyrics to heart. 

In Obama's mind "THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND", to do with as Barrack H. Obama desires that is.

[bluegrass]

I don't know where you get your info, but my son is a lifetime member and is also the only family member who is an NRA member.

As for a fully auto firearm, it has always been my understanding that a federal license was required to own one. Please show me otherwise.

Requirements have changed since my Grandfather bought my membership in the 70s.. They ended the Life membership up until 2011... than re-instituted it with new requirements as I have outlined.

Federal registration is required. You used to need a class 3 license but that changed...You have to have your Sheriff sign off on it and pay 200.00 http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/identification-of-nfa-firearms.html#bazooka

[kathyp]

i, too, am a lifetime member. 

that arms treaty has been a UN wet dream for a long time.  details on implementation are TBD.  that seems to be a theme with loony leftist legislation and treaties.  pass it to find out what's in it......

[Richard]

If you haven’t seen the documentary "2016: Obama's America" ….it’s a must see to fully understand what’s at stake with this election.

http://2016themovie.com/

[johnnybigfish]

 I'll have to try and keep the peace at my house...My wifes an Obama delegate and I support Romney...But, like Ive been saying the last 6 months, we'll all still be bitchin' about our adminstration! its the way we are...we have no choice and no voice.....I hope I'll be complaining about Romney tho instead of Barry!..Lol!
your friend,
john

[Keith13]

apparently we will be talking about the riots. inner city obama supporters plan to riot and burn the hood down. it will be nice to sit back and watch them burn their neighborhoods. can't wait to watch it unfold

Keith

[kathyp]

john, have i not converted your wife yet?   

[buzzbee]

Well John,
you could give us all lessons on catching the big fish!!! 

[kingbee]

... we will be talking about the riots...

I was in the gun store Monday of last week and they were selling US style ammo cans with 150 rounds of 00 buckshot per can by the pallet load.  There is not ONE jurisdiction within a hundred miles of there were you can legally hunt deer with dogs and buckshot.  This buckshot ammo was not there when I went to stock up on No. 4 buckshot ammo and dog food two weeks ago.

Besides, this gun store was busier than an Olive Garden on Columbus day.  There must have been 20 clerks in a space smaller than the kitchen of a McDonald's.  People are either frightened or mad or both.

[BlueBee]

Rent yourself “Bowling for Columbine” by Michael Moore if you want to know why…......

[kathyp]

Rent yourself “Bowling for Columbine” by Michael Moore if you want to know why…......

an unimpeachable source!!

[sterling]

... we will be talking about the riots...

I was in the gun store Monday of last week and they were selling US style ammo cans with 150 rounds of 00 buckshot per can by the pallet load.  There is not ONE jurisdiction within a hundred miles of there were you can legally hunt deer with dogs and buckshot.  This buckshot ammo was not there when I went to stock up on No. 4 buckshot ammo and dog food two weeks ago.

Besides, this gun store was busier than an Olive Garden on Columbus day.  There must have been 20 clerks in a space smaller than the kitchen of a McDonald's.  People are either frightened or mad or both.

Yea, if Obama wants to brag on saving an industry the firearms business is the one instead of the car industry cause the govt. hasn't given them billions we want get back.

[kingbee]

Mentioning the Auto Industry made me think about this.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/07/survey-favorable-views-of-ford-not-gm-or-chrysler.html
Government Motors and Chrysler receive new low opinion ratings from the American people.  Meanwhile Ford who declined to take Obama's Socialist buyout is surging in the minds of American car buyers.  There has got to be a reason.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Battery-Plant-Hailed-By-Obama-In-2010-Furloughs-Workers-After-Failing-To-Produce-A-Single-Battery-72824/


A Michigan battery factory that has received over $200,000,000 in local and federal tax breaks or direct payments, subsidies, and loan guarantees has laid all its workers off.  What makes it so bad is that this Michigan battery factory is one of those venues where 2 years ago the President crowed at his teleprompter about his job creating ability. 

The factory went tummy up despite also benefiting from a direct payment from the Obama Administration to every Chevy Volt buyer or leasee of an additional $7,500 tax credit or refund on each and every one of the 23,000 Chevy Volts begged, borrowed, stolen or bought from GM.  It not only shows that you can’t give Chevy Volts away, it also proves that you also can‘t pay consumers to take these Turkeys off of Government Motors’ hands.
This is fast approaching a half a Billion more dollars down the Government Motors Green rat hole.  And guess what?  There has not been even ONE usable Chevy Volt Battery produced there yet. 

I guess we should be thankful for small miracles; at least they haven't contaminated the property or worn the factory out by MAKING anything yet.

It looks more and more every day that the only greedy ones who are not paying their fair share of taxes are the green jobs section of the econemy.  Not only are they a net consumer of tax dollars, they also don't pay taxes because they can't turn a dollar with a pitchfork.  The green energy scam reminds me more of John Candy's Uncle Buck than Henry Ford.

[BlueBee]

It’s too bad our beeks were asleep at the wheel during the GW Bush generated financial crisis and didn’t grasp REALITY.  The ONLY reason Ford didn’t join GM and Chrysler in Obama’s “socialist buyout” (as y’all call it) is greed.  The Ford Motor company is controlled by the Ford Family because they own a majority of the voting shares.  As long as the family has majority shares of the preferred stock, they control the company.  

In Bankruptcy, all the old stock holders are WIPED out.  If Ford had accepted a bailout, the Ford Family control of the company and the family fortune would have been wiped out.  Do you honestly think the Ford Family would VOTE to get wiped out?

GM and Chrysler aren’t controlled by old family money, and hence they chose the path that was the wisest for their survival.  Actually the biggest holder in Chrysler at the time was VP Quayle’s hedge fund.  Hmmm, funny how he got bailed out too……  

Ford would have gone under without the same concessions the UAW was forced to gave GM and Chrysler in bankruptcy.    

My prediction:  Kingbee will be the BEGGING General Motors for a Volt when Israel strikes Iran and gasoline goes to $10 a gallon.

[kingbee]

...In Bankruptcy, the ...stock holders are WIPED out.  If Ford had accepted a bailout, the Ford Family ...family ...would have been wiped out...    

My prediction:  Kingbee will be the BEGGING General Motors for a Volt when Israel strikes Iran and gasoline goes to $10 a gallon.

Why then would you vote for a candidate for President of the United States who is proposing to wipe YOU out.  It makes no sense!!

What good will a Chevy Volt do anyone?  You forget my dear BlueBee that the President promised us he would make our "[E]lectric rates necessarily soar..."

In that case how are you proposing that we recharge our Chevy Volts, tie a string to the radio "aerial" and fly a kite in a thunder storm? 

[BlueBee]

Maybe power them with hot air 

[kingbee]

This is a more realistic power source for the Government Motors car of the future.
You also must remember that this is the first "Automobile" that our President had any experience with.
http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/rickshaw.html

Well that will kill several birds with one stone, Michelle's obesity campaign, high oil prices, unemployment, and Global Warming to name a few.  Unfortunately I don't see any room for a union pay scale making Rickshaws and Becaks, do you?

[johnnybigfish]

no conversion for janelle, and i cant catch any fish lately either....However, I do have a box of bees that dont want to kill me like the others do!