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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 10:00:03 PM »

If that be the case, just change from throw out to refuse to accept. Then the applicant would know and be able to take it higher up. Then everyone would be happy. >>>>>>>RIGHT??<<<<<<<
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 10:23:59 PM »

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All States require a state issued ID to vote.

not so.  look at the oregon link i posted.

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The new laws allow him/her to throw out registration cards if the person does not produce a Legal State Issued ID.

not so.  all of the new laws that i am aware of allow the individual to vote a provisional ballot and requires that the ID be verified before the ballot is counted.  as an example:  i show up to vote and the ID i bring is not the right one.  i still get to vote, but i must present the correct ID within the stated time in order for my vote to be counted.  or...i go to register to vote and do not have the correct ID.  i can get free ID from the state with the proper proof of citizenship/residency.  no little old lady will, on her own, toss my registration or ballot.
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The issue the NAACP and other groups have with the law is the ability to discard registration cards... If you are in one of the many small rural districts across the nation where the Registrar of voters is also the town clerk, tax assessor, and dog catcher... There is no over sight...

nope.  the NAACP is afraid that their pets won't get the illegal votes they are used to counting on.  That is what this is all about. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2012, 01:17:56 AM »

Y’all know….I only feel like an alien when I’m on the bee forums  Wink  

LOL, it is always a good laugh to read how paranoid bee keepers are!  laugh laugh laugh  Do you seriously think people are going to go out of their way to cast an extra vote huh  Maybe a few right wing beeks, but the rest of us have more important fish to fry.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2012, 03:13:11 AM »

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/09/book-voter-fraud-is-real-and-has-consequences-just-look-at-sen-al-franken/


http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/democrat-scandals-you-wouldnt-hear-from-the-liberal-mainstream-media/


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120830/NEWS/120829740


These are only the tip of the ice burg, so to speak.   Is it any wonder that the whole country is going to Hell in a hand basket when the citizens aren’t able to cast their ballots with the expectation that real flesh and blood Americans can outvote the dead, imprisoned, illegal, ineligible, and phantom voters, who more likely than not are carpooled hither and yond by the Democrat Party to perhaps dozens of different voting locations. 

BlueBee, just like the first link above demonstrates, it is as more likely that Democrat voters will be the true victims of Democrat Party voter fraud than it is for Republicans to be so harmed.  If the Democrats truely cared for the men and women of Michigan (especially the Democrat voters, they would fight like wildcats to ensure the votes are cast and counted in a fair manner.  As Joseph Stalin once said, "'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes."   
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2012, 06:55:20 AM »

Those feeding from the public trough often have the time and desire to cast more than one vote. And in Philly the Black Panthers did their best to offset the very people who would vote against that ideology.
And the justice Department under Obama did nothing about it. The case of voter intimidation,even so blatant with men carrying nightsticks at the polling place,was swept under the rug.
And the groups that advocate these behaviors are the ones that do not want voter ID laws.

"Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

And in Chicago,the Mayor asks the likes of  Louis Farrakhanto help with security of the city?  An America hater if ever there was one.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2012, 08:36:33 AM »

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Do you seriously think people are going to go out of their way to cast an extra vote

yes.  and there's a reason that it's always the leftist groups that scream about voter ID.

the left will have a sudden 'come to Jesus' moment and will push the national ID legislation.  i have even heard some on the right support this idea.  it's a bad one.  elections belong to the states and the feds have no business messing in this, either by blocking or providing, ID.
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2012, 12:00:08 PM »

BlueBee, voter fraud is alive and well, don't be deceived.

kingbee, you ought to dig a little deeper into crooked commissioner Albert Turner of Perry County that was mentioned in the Tuscaloosa News article.  Now there is a controversial, crooked, person (I won't dignify him by calling him a politician).  I did business with one of the commissioners in Perry County for several years, he is a good guy...it was incredible the uphill battles he fought.   They were building a new jail, I don't know whatever happened to their "new jail construction" but talk about disappearing money!!!  Turner even tried to run down my friend with his car once!   Then there's the coal ash dump that nobody wanted...nobody but the politicians, that is.  rolleyes  It's definitely putting money in the county coffers but at what expense to the people?...and who else's coffers is some of that money going into?  Some kind of a sitcom-drama could be made of that county.  It's pretty wild up there.   If nothing else, a documentary using what goes on in Perry County to explain what's bringing this country down. 

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2012, 12:29:03 PM »

You know what else is alive and well? Gun Violence... and we all agree nothing should be done about that.

Voter fraud happens in isolated situations.... Your links all point to towns in Alabama... All were investigated, and regardless Alabama didn't fall into democratic hands over it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2012, 12:51:01 PM »

"""You know what else is alive and well? Gun Violence... and we all agree nothing should be done about that."""

You are totally wrong there.

The left wants to remove our protection so gun violence will increase.

The right wants more of us to self protect in order to decrease gun violence.

If the left wins, we will all be as safe as the citizens of Chicago and Detroit.

The left wants us to ignore voter fraud, so it will increase.

The right wants to nip it in the bud before it spreads.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2012, 01:18:36 PM »

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All were investigated, and regardless Alabama didn't fall into democratic hands over it.

that's the point you want to make??

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2012, 03:42:23 PM »

... Your links all point to towns in Alabama... All were investigated, and regardless Alabama didn't fall into democratic hands over it.


Not ture at all Bluegrass.  The words you are posting sounds like the words that Nazis used at their war crime trials to deny guilt.  

The Green County voter fraud resulted in a Republican State Supreme Court Chief Justice loosing his up ballot race by a few hundred votes to an extreme liberal Democrat candidate.  It took years to get this election overturned and the winning candidate seated.  In the meantime life went on and numerous cases were upheld when common sense would have resulted in a different ruling.  This BTW was during the Presidency of America's first Black President, Bill Clinton but Clinton did have a eye for justice as long as the eye of justice wasn't looking at him or his wife.  I can not see the current Attorney General, Eric Holder going to bat for fair elections after his shameful 2008 actions over voter intimidation in Philly.  
  
So Bluegrass, how ‘bout’ educating yourself about the realities of voter fraud and the effects it has on the most needy among us.  Start here if you dare.  Then get back to me.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/09/absentee-ballot-fraud-a-stolen-election-in-greene-county-alabama
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2012, 07:52:40 PM »

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that's the point you want to make??



11 people were arrested in that case... So the system is working...
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2012, 08:45:43 PM »

And the SCLC and NAACP is still screaming against it and taking the side of the convicted criminals.

Doesn't that tell you something about their actions in other parts of the country, such as Philly. as in the video above? And yet you still support them? I guess that tells something about you, too, doesn't it.
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2012, 09:42:26 PM »

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that's the point you want to make??

11 people were arrested in that case... So the system is working...

Except for the State Supreme Court Chief Justice who was denied his legally won office because these fraudlent voters also cast votes for ever state wide office on the ballot.  Tilting the outcome of the Supreme Court Race to a Democrat.  Then it required years for the true winner to be seated and in that time the State Supreme Court still conducted the peoples' business even though the State Supreme Court was a fraudlent court. 

How many innocent men had their convictions up held or guilty men were released to kill, rob, steal, and rape again is anyones guess. 
That is not taking into account how many people had bad judgments up held on appeal or lost their right to have their law suits or appeals heard by a legitimate court.

You really do have Sgt. Schultz Syndrome don't you?  "I see nothing, nothing nothing!!!"
An outlook like that leads one to adopt the "Lets string everyone up and let that God person someone spoke of here earlier separator the guilty from the innocent.  You make it sound like we are separating eggs to make meringue or shelling pecans.  Chilling how some act when they think that no one more important than themselves is watching.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2012, 08:15:00 AM »

You seem to be completely unable to make a point without flinging insults.

The Alabama Supreme Court is made up of 9 justices just like the USSC. Rulings take agreement of 5 of the 9 just like the USSC... So I doubt your "claimed" miss-seated justice single handedly paroled rapists and murderers and such... Interesting that it is a partisan court though. I have never seen that before and don't really understand the benefit of such a system? Justices are supposed to up hold the Constitution regardless of political affiliation. Which is why in most states they are non-partisan candidates.

So back to the subject at hand... So Alabama seem to be filled with dishonest people who want to throw elections... Deal with it (as they did) on a local level.

Now lets forget Alabama and talk about the states that attempted to pass these laws. Show me a case of voter fraud that needed addressing in New Hampshire! Or may be a case in PA that required action?
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2012, 10:30:29 AM »

You seem to be completely unable to make a point without flinging insults.

The Alabama Supreme Court is made up of 9 justices just like the USSC. Rulings take agreement of 5 of the 9 just like the USSC... So I doubt your "claimed" miss-seated justice single handedly paroled rapists and murderers and such... Interesting that it is a partisan court though. I have never seen that before and don't really understand the benefit of such a system? Justices are supposed to up hold the Constitution regardless of political affiliation. Which is why in most states they are non-partisan candidates.

So back to the subject at hand... So Alabama seem to be filled with dishonest people who want to throw elections... Deal with it (as they did) on a local level.

Now lets forget Alabama and talk about the states that attempted to pass these laws. Show me a case of voter fraud that needed addressing in New Hampshire! Or may be a case in PA that required action?
bluegrass, I'm all for voter ID.  Why would anyone not be?  If you have the proper identification you vote, if you don't have the proper ID (and you have four years to come up with an ID) then you don't vote.  It would certainly cut out lots of phony votes.  The only reason that a person would be against voter ID would be because it would be horning in on their, or their party's, ability to stuff ballot boxes.   There will never be a way to make an election error-free or remove all improprieties, but the voter ID laws would remove a good portion of those...would you like that to happen.  Remember, people have FOUR YEARS to acquire proper ID....ID that they should already have regardless of whether they use it to vote or not.

Sure, Alabama has had *plenty* of voting irregularities and crooked elections...but so has every state in the union...that's politics (where the word "politician" comes from and normally one of the lowest forms of life on the plant).   We here in Alabama certainly don't have a monopoly on crooked politics, though we do have some politicians that are good at it.

If the wrongly seated justice did not affect cases presented to them then why don't we just have 8 justices?....because there would be deadlocks on many cases.  What does the 9th justice do?....well, for one thing, he's a tie-breaker.  So on any given case where there wasn't a unanimous decision or a 6-3 or better decision the improperly seated justice could be seen as the tie-breaker.  Yes, it may not matter on a tremendous number of cases, but to those people who were wrongly sentenced, to the victims of criminals who were released, and to the families of both groups it means that their very lives have been put "on hold", in turmoil, and possibly destroyed.  How would you like your father or daughter to be wrongly sitting in prison due to the decision of a person who, through criminal activity, was placed in a position of authority and who made the decision that put your loved one in that prison?

In regards to voting irregularities outside of Alabama that needed attention or action...  You mentioned PA....go ahead and comment on the video that buzzbee linked to earlier?  Intimidation by "New" Black Panthers standing in front of a polling place with clubs....?  And our wonderful Attorney General of the United States probably patting these guys in the video on the back...he certainly didn't do anything to correct the situation or to pursue Federal charges against them.  I wonder what nice poll-greeters Obama's folks have lined up for this year...  rolleyes

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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2012, 11:40:00 AM »

The "New Black Panthers" in the video would be there with or without the new voter ID law. (which the State Supreme Court has thrown out btw). They were not there checking ID's... They were there trying to be an intimidating presence. But they did not question anybody, they did not cause any trouble and they were within their rights to be there just standing around. So.....?

I have no problem with voter ID. My point is that the people who are bringing the issue to the forefront are the same group that preaches "less government intervention". They acted to legislate in specific states; states that have no resent history of voter fraud. States that Ironically are all in play... They are aiding Government intervention over an issue that did not need to be addressed in these states... They wasted tax dollars "fixing" a problem that didn't exist. Just to have the courts tell them that what they "fixed" was done purely for political gain and throw out the law That they spent millions to draft and pass.

That is my problem with it... If Alabama wanted to tighten up voter fraud.... they should have at it as there seem to be a problem down there... But given their long history of corruption and inequality that really isn't very surprising.  

 
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« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2012, 02:39:53 AM »

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I have no problem with voter ID. My point is that the people who are bringing the issue to the

forefront are the same group that preaches "less government intervention".


We seem to be at cross purposes.  I believe that the government should only be involved in activities that only a good government can do, like setting boundaries for the private interprise sector that everyone can live with and benefit from.
You on the other hand want to turn the most important functions of self government (fair elections) over to the private interprise sector, by putting proper voter registration, voter ID, and voting into the hands of what amounts to a private good old boy's club (An entrenched political party) so our votes, elections, and government representatives can be bought and sold like shares of common stock on the trading floor at Wall Street. 

I find the spector of a uniformed and armed private Militia outside a polling place unacceptable.  I don't care whether they are wearing sheets, Nazi regalia or are dressed in Black Panther leathers this is voter intimidation. 

As for your contention that this is only an issue in a state in play for Obama, Texas is in the same boat as Pennsylvania is over voter IDs.  Do you seriously believe that Texas is in Obama's camp?

As for voter irregularly in one state over another, that is a stunning statement considering it was made by a person living next door to NYC and the long long (and did I mention Long) history of voter irregularties there going back to Tammany Hall
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« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2012, 06:48:03 AM »

I guess I lost my train of thought when posting the video of the new black Panther Party and voter ID.
The Justice Department said the Black Panther presence at the polling place was not a case of intimidation and did nothing,absolutely zero about it. And this is the same Justice Department battling every states right to have voter ID. Seems if voter disenfranchisement is occurring,that it is okay as long as they look like it benefits the current administration.
Would this have been treated the same way if the Klan were involved? No. It would be a front page news item right now.
Funny thing about it now though,the last klan member I know of in office in Washington was Robert Byrd from West Virginia.A democrat. What does it mean when these  hateful groups align themselves behind the Democrats?
Are these the people we want influencing our elections? These are the kind of things that really harm the electorate far more than requesting an ID card.
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« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2012, 10:52:28 AM »

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they were not within their rights at all.  imagine that the KKK were standing in front of a polling place with clubs in a majority black neighborhood.

the police were called and the one with the club was sent away. 
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