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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2012, 08:51:22 PM »

I wonder if any of our beeks have read the stories of Libyan’s protesting and fighting the Islamic extremists whom are trying to hijack their revolution?  

“A mass protest Friday against militias against the compounds of several armed groups in Benghazi lasted into early Saturday, as thousands stormed the headquarters of Ansar al-Shariah, an Islamic extremist group suspected in the Sept. 11 attack...


And now for the rest of the story so to speak.

Now who is laughing about the so called anti-militia demonstrations NOT ongoing in Libya.  

http://news.yahoo.com/libya-thwarts-planned-anti-militia-protests-225119216.html

“TRIPOLI/BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - Authorities in Libya thwarted plans for a huge demonstration against militia in the capital Tripoli on Friday, while in Benghazi, scene of mass anti-militia protests last week, supporters of an ousted Islamist group returned to the streets.

Activists had hoped that a planned demonstration in the capital would be as successful as a giant anti-militia protest held in Benghazi last week, but only about 400 protesters turned up on Friday after the country's mufti and mosque preachers warned people not to attend.

Those that did turn up gathered in Tripoli's Algeria Square and then marched to the main Martyr's Square, chanting and clapping, and bemoaning what they described as an attempt to silence them.

"I am one of the people who carried a gun and fought (Muammar) Gaddafi, and now I am back on the square, to say 'no' again. No to the leaders of militia, yes to a civil state," said protester Murad Zikri,…”

It seems that few of Mr. Murad’s fellow Libyans share his desire for a “civil” state, whatever that means.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2012, 11:41:52 AM »

Several interviews with some educated people from positions where they know/have seen things the average person doesn't see.  It pertains to what appears to be an actual muslim plan for world control. 
Errr, I'm sure there are plans for muslim world control....just as there are christians with such plans (and prophesy)....heck, almost any group will claim to be able to run the world better than anyone else...women should run the world...college professors should run the world, business people should run the world, scientists should run the world...if you asked them, I bet a group of elementary school music teachers would say they should run the world.  To claim that there is such a plan, and to claim that it's existence demonstrates anything is akin to throwing a tied up woman in water to see if she floats...to determine if she is a witch.

Are we going to pretend that there aren't christians that think they should run the world...and have plans for how to do so?

As far as "some educated people" goes, I'm not sure what you are describing....arguably, the most educated people in the country are college professors.....they often cast themselves as experts in everything, but rarely are they seen that way by others.

The typed up "plan", that is referred to as "The Project" was discovered in a raid on a radical muslim dwelling in Europe(?).  [/quote]
...the link you provided offered a link that was to a translation of "the plan"....but if you try to follow the link, it is listed as private and not accessible.

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2012, 01:57:28 PM »

A couple of differences between Christians who think they know how to run the world and muslims that think they have do...

My lord Jesus Christ tells me to go forth and spread His Gospel...He tells me that if I'm unaccepted/unwelcomed to "shake the dust off your feet".  He does not tell me to kill the person who rebuffed the message, He does not tell me to curse the rebuffer, and actually He tells me to love and to pray for the rebuffer.

Mohammad writes in the koran that "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."  Apparently, Mohammad was told to instruct to simply kill the non-conformist infidels in a gruesome manner.

Slight differences.

When the end of time, as we know it, comes, I will be very comfortable in what God does with His people.  I won't comment on Allah, Mohammad, and the muslim people though I pray for the people's salvation.

I have to disagree with you on the college professors being the most educated people in the country, though I feel that may have been a tongue-in-cheek remark.  I see the mass majority of college professors as ultra-liberal (sorry, but I think you will agree)...very few ultra-conservative professors are seen today.  These "professors" manage to acquire a degree, write a doctorate or thesis or whatever on something they probably don't really have a clue about, and become a "doctor".  They then get a teaching position, manage to keep their job long enough to get tenure and then proceed to preach their agenda (rather than facts) to impressionable young minds.  These are the people (ultras on both sides) that need to be tied up, thrown in the water, and see "if they float".  Wink

As for the link within the link...yeah, it was a Scribd document which I don't necessarily care for.  I have found the document noted in several spots but haven't found a pdf file of it or whatever.

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2012, 04:04:08 PM »

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I bet a group of elementary school music teachers

would say they should run the world....  


We need to get togather some day and compare notes, it seems that we had the same elementary school music teacher. grin grin
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2012, 11:51:38 PM »

I have to disagree with you on the college professors being the most educated people in the country, though I feel that may have been a tongue-in-cheek remark. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2012, 02:08:57 PM »

The problem is,  when God talks, different people hear different things.  Can anyone provide a transcript of what God told them to do?  One that doesn't contradict itself?

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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2012, 06:47:03 PM »

Deknow, my transcript is God's Word the Holy Bible, I need nothing more.  No contradiction.  God that I speak of is the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the owner of the small quiet voice that spoke to Elijah, the god of David, the Father in Heaven of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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American blood spilled to protect the freedom and peace of people all over the world.  320,000 USA casualties in WWI, 1,076,000 USA casualties in WWII, 128,000 USA casualties in the Korean War, 211,000 casualties in the Vietnam "conflict", 57,000 USA casualties in "War on Terror".  Benghazi, Libya, 13 USA casualties. These figures don't include 70,000 MIA.  But, the leaders of one political party of the United States of America continue to make the statement..."What difference does it make?".

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."..."The press is our chief ideological weapon." - Nikita Khrushchev
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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2012, 05:31:58 PM »

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Can anyone provide a transcript of what God told them to do?... 

One that doesn't contradict itself?...


The Mohammedans have such a transcript, they call it the "Holy Quaran!"

It is the laws of God (Allah) as spoken by Allah to one man, Mohamed. No middle men here.
The contradictory thingy was solved years ago by stating that God changed his mind between one verse or version and any that are or that seem to contradict what was said before.
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2012, 05:47:32 PM »

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The problem is,  when God talks, different people hear different things...  Can anyone provide a

transcript of what God told them to do?...


You do seem to think that someone who hears voices (like most prophets do) is a sane and rational being, capable of being reasoned with. 

I hate to burst your bubble but it just ain't so.  There is only one rationality.

However I will stipulate that there are degrees of irrationality.

Now kindly point out to me a man or a woman who hears a little voice telling him or her to cut off the heads of a 1,000 men in one day and produce an argument that will convince a reasonable human that the person who ordered the beheading of a 1,000 men is rational, as you or I define rationality.
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2012, 09:35:27 AM »

Several interviews with some educated people from positions where they know/have seen things the average person doesn't see.  It pertains to what appears to be an actual muslim plan for world control. 
Errr, I'm sure there are plans for muslim world control....just as there are christians with such plans (and prophesy)....heck, almost any group will claim to be able to run the world better than anyone else...women should run the world...college professors should run the world, business people should run the world, scientists should run the world...if you asked them, I bet a group of elementary school music teachers would say they should run the world.  To claim that there is such a plan, and to claim that it's existence demonstrates anything is akin to throwing a tied up woman in water to see if she floats...to determine if she is a witch.

Are we going to pretend that there aren't christians that think they should run the world...and have plans for how to do so?

As far as "some educated people" goes, I'm not sure what you are describing....arguably, the most educated people in the country are college professors.....they often cast themselves as experts in everything, but rarely are they seen that way by others.

The typed up "plan", that is referred to as "The Project" was discovered in a raid on a radical muslim dwelling in Europe(?). 
...the link you provided offered a link that was to a translation of "the plan"....but if you try to follow the link, it is listed as private and not accessible.

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There are two distinct groups that are trying to destroy the western world as we know it. One the Communist party the other is the Muslim Brotherhood. And both have a good foothold in the White House. You would be doing yourself and others a great service to do some research with and open mind on both groups before the presidential election. For starters you might try and find out why Hisham Atalib visits the white house regularly. BTW he is on the FBIs watch list and is a major funder of the law group that has been springing terrorist out of Gitmo. And you may ask yourself why we are giving the Muslim Brother leader in Egypt 1.4 BILLION dollars of tax payer money. And you might wonder why Hugo Chaves endorsed Obama. and why George Soris a Marxist has given Obama 1 million dollars in campaign contributions  And you could research Andy Stern And Valarie Jarrett's background in the U.S. Communist Party. Even the president's connection with communism. Things like his father being one and his mentor being a communist picked by his communist grandmother.
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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2012, 01:45:37 PM »

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Can anyone provide a transcript of what God told them to do?  One that doesn't contradict itself?



I perfer to let actions speak and not mere words.

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson071207.html

http://www.chain.to/?m3=3302


After a six month siege on August 5, 1571, the Venetian commander  Marcantonio Bragadin surrendered the 8,000 man garrison at the fortress city of Famagusta Cyprus to an overwhelming Turkish force after running out of gunpowder.   Despite Moslem promise of safe passage out of Cyprus, the Muslim commander lined up his Christian prisoners for display in the town square. All were killed but their Italian Commander. After enduring an orgy of beatings and anal rapes Marcantonio Bragadin first had his nose and then his ears cut off.  Next he was forced to carry earth on his back like a slave. After being softened up by hanging by the neck from a galley yardarm, the Ottoman commander Lala Mustafa had Bragadin cut down, then chained him between two stone columns and ordered Bragadin skinned alive.

Fortunately eye witness accounts say that the Italian Commander expired about halfway through this new torture.  However not to be denied their fun and games, his tormenters continued.  His hide was stuffed with straw, then clothed, and ridden around the streets of Famagusta on the back of a cow.  Later this grizzly trophy was sent to the Turkish Sultan to admire.

After the attacks on the United States consulate in Bengasi on September 11, 2012 a similar Full Monty treatment was afforded our late ambassador to Libya, just short of being skinned alive that is.  So don’t try any of that “Oh that’s the way we humans interacted with one another back then", that is still the way a large group living in the Middle East interact with their fellow humans today. 

These and even worse actions are what the “Peaceful Religion of Mohammedanism has in store for those of you it conquers or captures.  Never believe otherwise.  Today the peaceful Ottoman Commander who killed Marcantonio Bragadin has a Mosque in Famagusta named for him, the Lala Mustafa pasha Mosque.
     

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM »

The 50th anniversary of a blockbuster movie is scheduled for a digital up grade and re-release this year. 

This movie is Lawrence of Arabia.  The United States Army used to distribute copies of Lawrence of Arabia to the instructors at the Redstone Arsenal Army Missile Command.  This is where personnel from governments that purchased defensive missile systems from us went to learn how to aim, fire, service, and maintain SAMs and other million dollar WOOOOSH bullets.

The movie Lawrence of Arabia was once used to teach Army and civilian instructors about Arabic society.  As best as I remember this movie is 4 or more hours long.  However I can attest that it is a very good primer for understanding the Arabic mind and culture.   I recommend that you watch it for it’s educational value.   All the major characters in the flick are real flesh and blood people.

Anthony Quinn’s character is Auda ban Harb al-Abo Seed al-Mazro al-Tamame abu Tayi. When Aubu abu Tayi came to power he set his natal tribe on a new path to riches, raiding.  I wish to point out the Fascist nature of Berber, Bedouin, Southern Steppe and some Arab cultures when Auda abu Tayi brags to Colonel T. E. Lawrence that….  “I am a river unto my people,” meaning abu Tayi’s powers as a military commander are responsible for his tribe’s wealth. 

This establishes the Fascist or National Socialist nature of tribal Arab, Berber, and Bedouin culture going back to and beyond the Pharos of Egypt, as opposed to the atheistic nature of Marxism or “International Socialism” which is rooted in, and only came to prominence in 19th Century pan Europeanism. 

I consider Reinhard Heydrich (The Butcher of Prague) as the European equivalent of a successful Mohammedan (As opposed to a secular Mid East) ruler like Muammar Kaddafi or King Abdullah the 2nd of Jordan.   



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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2012, 10:12:56 AM »

Did you see that Hilliary is taking the fall for the administration on the killings in Benghazi of the four Americans. After Obama, Biden, Rice, Clinton and all their spokes people publicly lien about the terrorist attacks for over a month Obama is now going to let Clinton take the blame.
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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2012, 11:09:39 AM »

most of it does fall in her lap because the security arrangements for these embassies and outposts are done through state BUT the state department is the diplomatic arm of the presidents international policy.  If his policy is, as it appears to be, that we keep a low profile and make nice with the locals, then it is Hillarys job to implement that policy.  that means the incident fall squarely on the president.

the policy and what it lead to is not nearly as important now as the coverup that has followed. why cover up?  because it shows failed policy. 

The president would have already known that his policy was failing because these are the kind of issues that he is briefed on daily....except he doesn't bother going to the briefings, he just reads the synopsis. 

he seems to like the title far more than he likes the work.   

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2012, 05:00:21 PM »

I have a friend who was a State Department security officer and I think it was while he was still in the Army.  If this is true it is another lie by the Administration because the President is the Commander in Chief of all the United States 5 branches of the military.  Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard.  I'll ask him.  (My friend that is)

Obama is forgeting that it was he and not his Democrat Primary opponent Hillary R. Clinton, who won the 2008 Presidential Election. But if I was Obama I would not want to remember it myself.
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2012, 05:00:57 PM »

I don't believe in geniside but in the case of what the muslims are capable of doing-- maybe waranted---
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2012, 11:19:14 PM »

On June 6 2012 Islamic terrorist blew a hole in the wall of our consulate in Bengasi, after over 90 days no effort was made to rebuild the wall.  

Furthermore the final attack on our consulate in Bengasi began at 9:40PM 12 hours to the minute that the  9-11-2001 attacks began in New York City at 9:40AM 11 years earlier.  And still CNN’s crack bleep not to mention the former Arkansas Rose law firm’s crack harlot either covers up for the President or takes one on his behalf.  If no Democrat is elected to prominent national office for the next two generations it would be to soon.

The people you and I sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in 2008 are worst than incompetent, they are criminally negligent, and every man, woman, and child living in America is in mortal danger until these politicians are sent to wherever it is that washed up politicians go.  
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2012, 07:47:05 AM »

And tomorrow Obama will once again be saying terrorism is behind us now and in 4 more years he can fix the rest of the stuff.
Too many people will not believe it is happening until it hits our streets and neighborhoods. Terrorists is an export from the Mideast we can do without.
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2012, 07:43:17 PM »

The debate Monday night will be interesting just to see how Obama spins the terrorist attacks in Libya and see if the mod helps him out like the last mod did.
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2012, 11:22:18 PM »

there are two possibilities with obama's mid-east/asia/africa policies.  1. he does not understand the factions at work in these countries.  or 2. he does understand the factions at work in these counties.

the first would make him to stupid to be president for one second longer.  personally, i don't think he's stupid. 

that leaves the 2nd option.  i had pondered this for a long time.  i don't think the obama is a closet muslim, although i think he has strong sympathies in that direction.  i don't think it was his main goal to set radical islam free.  so...what has made him support radicals over the status quo in these countries?
  he has had a bunch of muslim brotherhood and that type through the WH.  people that other muslims have warned against.  did he not know who these people were?  when they were assuring him that "democracy" would reign in the ME after these revolutions, did he believe them?  did he understand what democracy meant to them?

i think he does not care who they are.  they are incidental to his goals.  i could not quite get a handle on his goals...
he's not quite a socialist, although much of what he believes is textbook marx.  he's not exactly a fascist although much of what he's done would have made hitler or mussolini proud.

i went and saw 2016 and then i picked up the book by Dinesh D'Souza.  i had a big Ah Ha moment because his explanation of anti-colonialism was the exact description of obama's policy.  the book didn't give me a different view of obama, but it gave me a far better understanding of why he does what he does.  i highly recommend the book "The Roots of Obama's Rage" just to get a better view of the man, even if you will still vote for him.

if redress of wrongs perpetrated by the colonial powers (of which we are one, in his mine) is the goal, then you don't really care about the end result as long as the colonial powers or their puppets (dictators) are put out of power.  it's not about equality, democracy, islamists, etc.  it's about a re-ordering of the world with the formerly powerful brought down to the level of those they have "oppressed".
 you know....you can't keep your thermostat at 70 degrees, and drive that big SUV and just expect the rest of the world to go along with that.
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