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« on: September 17, 2012, 11:43:19 AM »

I can't believe nobody has said anything about the violence going on in the Muslim country's. And their hate for America on display. There were certain ones in this coffee house that told us how loving and peacefully the Muslims were a few months. I didn't understand it then and I still don't [the peacefull part that is].
They have killed unarmed Americans and are burning American flags and American schools. I think there are twenty countries involved in this violence. And alot of them get our money that has been borrowed from China that the tax payers will have to pay back to China.
This outfit running our country is blamming it on a U-tube video trying to cover for their own mishandling of foriegin affairs. If the video is really the problem then what should the christian have in this country when christian in Egypt were killed a few months ago. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 01:25:01 PM »

...given all that, what does it say about America and Americans when Americans kill Americans in America?

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 02:16:36 PM »

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...given all that, what does it say about America and Americans when Americans kill Americans in America?

we have nuts and criminals who kill people.  we don't have an organized religion or leaders of government going about killing people.  not quite the same.

what is happening in the middle east was completely predictable.  it was predicted here.  smiley 

bad as those dictators might have been, they kept the islamists in check and they protected minorities.  that is gone now.  the muslim brotherhood is, and has always been, a radical islamist group.  as much time as MBs have spent in the white house these last few years, you are left to wonder if this admin is completely incompetent, or if this was not anticipated and embraced from the first.

we were warned about this not only by non-mulsims familiar with these groups, but by muslims also. 

i don't think an obscure youtube video had much to do with it except as tool to whip people up and cover attacks. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 04:27:43 PM »

People will see what people *want* to see.

The White House has reported that the attack in Libya was a spontaneous attack from a lengthy demonstration against the muslim film on youtube.  A security guard, the Libyan president, and other witnesses have said it was a sudden, surprise attack with no forewarning...basically a terrorist attack.  The Obama administration has said that these individuals didn't have the "information" that the White House has and that they are wrong...even though these are eye witnesses and the president of this Middle East country.  But hey, if a muslim standing up inside a military fort in Texax yelling "Allah Akbar" and gunning down our men and women in uniform isn't regarded as a terrorist act by the current administration then certainly these middle east attacks will not be regarded as terrorist attacks either.  White supremacists *talking* or *planning* to kill muslims are deemed terrorists...some extremists with plans to blow up a bridge are considered domestic terrorists....but actually killing Americans and specifically soldiers out of hatred in a premeditated manner is not terrorism...that doesn't make sense.   huh

kathyp, you said a lot of true, factual things, but...refer back to my first sentence.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 11:23:26 AM »

...given all that, what does it say about America and Americans when Americans kill Americans in America?

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Americans who kill Americans alot of the time are bad people. But I fail to see the comparison with violence in lets say, Chicago, where there are hundreds of killings every year for what ever reason they kill each other for and the killings and destruction of property brought on by hate of Americans because of the teachings of the Muslim religion that say we are infidels.

BTW this violence is now spread to 27 countries at last count that I heard. And it seems it is being ignored by the ones in charge of keeping the U.S. safe.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 12:36:05 PM »

Sterling, all the government needs to do is borrow more money from China and tuck a few more billion into the creases of those aid packages headed to these "unhappy" countries.  Come on, they're our friends...what's a few more billion between friends so they can buy ammunition to kill us with?

Americans killing Americans is terrible, but every country on earth has the problem of countrymen killing fellow countrymen in normally one-on-one killings...it's called murder.   There has been murder since the time of Cain and Able (just so no one is confused, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and believe in God's Holy Word as being infallible.  Yes, I'm one of those. Smiley). It is easy to see that these muslim countries are unifying against the United States...some of the people in these countries might would kill each other under certain conditions but most of them are now unified in their blood-letting hatred and intent to kill citizens of the United States, the country itself, and friends of the United States.   They have a common goal...our destruction.

Non-muslims are considered infidels by muslims...*their* holy book tells them we are.  According to "the world" we are supposed to be tolerant of them, yet their intolerance of us is casually overlooked by "the world".   Their intolerance of us goes to the point of desiring to kill me, my wife, my kids, and grandkids if we don't bow to *their* desires....*their* holy book lays it out plainly that if we don't convert they are to kill us.  Many people say islam is a religion of peace...why then does *their* holy book command them to kill us for not converting?

No, the hatred of these muslims against the United States and their killing of Americans out of hatred has nothing to do with Americans killing Americans in this country.  I believe that what we are seeing is the beginning of a war that this world has never seen the likes of.  We just thought Iraq and Afghanistan were/are drawn out conflicts.  When these muslim countries, many of which have recently moved from dictatorships to radically controlled governments, begin to get their act together and reap the revenue from some of their oil deposits we may very well see terrorist groups that are better equipped than our own military and intelligence communities.  Their soldiers seek death and martyrdom.   The problem with wars since the Korean "conflict" is that there hasn't been clearly defined "front lines"...no "lines drawn in the sand".  But, thankfully, these places with no well defined front lines have been restricted to small areas of the world.  With the financing that these terrorists will have, the entire world will become the war zone.  It's hard, too, to fight an army that actually seeks death...our logic of family and self preservation cannot comprehend their motives and beliefs.

The shooter at Fort Hood wasn't a terrorist...the attack on Americans in Libya was a demonstration "gone bad"...come on, when will somebody with authority use some good, old-fashioned common sense and patriotism to run this country and call an ace an ace and a spade a spade? 

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American blood spilled to protect the freedom and peace of people all over the world.  320,000 USA casualties in WWI, 1,076,000 USA casualties in WWII, 128,000 USA casualties in the Korean War, 211,000 casualties in the Vietnam "conflict", 57,000 USA casualties in "War on Terror".  Benghazi, Libya, 13 USA casualties. These figures don't include 70,000 MIA.  But, the leaders of one political party of the United States of America continue to make the statement..."What difference does it make?".

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."..."The press is our chief ideological weapon." - Nikita Khrushchev

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 12:45:33 PM »

I can't believe nobody has said anything about the violence going on in the Muslim country's. And their hate for America on display. There were certain ones in this coffee house that told us how loving and peacefully the Muslims were a few months... [ago]...


I am not one of those you mentioned.

http://news.yahoo.com/western-embassies-edgy-muslim-anger-film-simmers-000716007.html

For Blue and my other Politically Correct friends.  I wish to point out what democracy looks like in the Muslim world.  The picture of the celebrants included in this link are not pointing to the sky because their college football team just scored a touchdown.  These Afghan men and boys are celebrating the Mideast and Asian unrest beginning with the reported sodomy and murder of the United States of America’s Ambassador to the grateful country of Libya.  Libya you may remember is the same country were the President helped one group of murderous thugs we were not aligned with, over through another a second group of murderous thugs that we were aligned with.  I ask you, how does that help the USA make friends with and influence people in countries ruled by murderous thugs?  It doesn’t, it only makes all the murderous thugs mistrust and hate you more.   

Notice that the youngest in the above picture are leading this murderous procession and everyone else is advancing in echelons according to age.   This is in accordance with Hitler’s and Joseph Goebbels’s desire to “Educate” the young in the way that the state wanted the youth to go.  Also notice that the youngest on the front line have armed themselves with rocks.  This is in future expectations of arming themselves with hand grenades.   These are the same humans who have set for themselves the goal of taking over the world by conquering the Earth in the name of their god, and who during their Friday worship services sit in rapt attention while their ‘preacher’ teaches his congregation how to best whip, beat, and even murder their wives according to Allah‘s law as reviled to his Prophet, Mohammad.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 04:58:09 PM »

You know, there is more than one Blue on here Wink  Sometimes I get confused which one of us fine logical fact based Blue’s you’re addressing.

What is your solution?  What is Romney’s solution?  Bomb everybody?  Put Gdaffy back in charge (or his son)?
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 05:40:45 PM »

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What is your solution?  What is Romney’s solution?  Bomb everybody?  Put Gdaffy back in charge (or his son)?

my solution is that we lead from a position of strengh, rather than "lead from behind".  i'd save bombing as a last resort, but an effective on when called for. 

i do not think that it was a mistake that the call in the middle east was for democracy.  they understood what they were asking for, even if we did not.  democracy is the worst kind of government....unless you are the majority.

bad as those dictators appeared to us, they knew something we apparently didn't.  it was that, without strong and sometimes ruthless control, the islamists would take over.  they have.  that protection for minorities, women, children, and any kind of rule of law other than shiria, is now gone.  we must live with the results of our foolishness.
unfortunately, the muslims who really did want a positive change, must now live with it also.  as in iran, they will be oppressed along with anyone else who does not toe the sharia line.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 06:05:26 PM »

Check out the Salafast in Libya and find out how to whip and beat you wife in accordance with Allah's law.  The National Organization of Women are going to love that. 

You may have come a long way baby.  But once in a Mohammedan world you will be reduced to the drawers of water and the bearers of children who only count half as much in a court of law as a male.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 10:26:34 PM »

I wonder if any of our beeks have read the stories of Libyan’s protesting and fighting the Islamic extremists whom are trying to hijack their revolution?  

“A mass protest Friday against militias against the compounds of several armed groups in Benghazi lasted into early Saturday, as thousands stormed the headquarters of Ansar al-Shariah, an Islamic extremist group suspected in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate.”

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-militia-protests-show-frailty-libyan-state-174301962.html

Do beeks only see the bad apples in the fruit basket huh
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 10:16:50 AM »

do you think that because we do not rush to post, we do not see?  evil  and guess where i saw the first reports...even before yahoo, or those other leftist sites reported?  FOX news...and they had it on video so we could see.

ok, enough yanking your chain...

i don't know anyone who has claimed that all muslims in the middle east and africa are bad.  my observation has been that this admin has not understood...or maybe they did...the powers that were bound to emerge and take control.  considering how many MB reps have tromped through the WH, i'm guessing that at least some of the people in the WH understood perfectly what they were doing.

IF you are going to dump tax dollars into a country, region, or dispute, make sure you are supporting the right people.  as i said to my husband when we were watching the counter protests in Libya...that's where we should be spending and what we should be supporting.  instead, we have called their leader a liar and have been silent...after lying to the american public, about what really happened.

so yes, i have taken note.  i expect this president to treat these potential friends and he did the Iranian protesters a few years ago.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 04:52:04 PM »

I'm watching also and it proves there are a few good apples in some baskets. shocked And like Kathy I'm wondering if Obama will treat them as he did the people in the streets of Iran and let the bus run um down. Cry
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 10:18:18 PM »

Why do y’all think Obama should be the world’s policeman?  Controlling what everybody does and says?  Do you think he’s some sort of God or something and controls these Arab revolutions?  Yes, Obama is a descent President, but sometimes I think you're giving him TOO MUCH CREDIT in foreign affairs Wink
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2012, 11:35:59 AM »

but he did get involved in every bit of it.  so we are left to wonder:  is he totally incompetent and did not understand the outcome of his assistance in the "arab spring", or was this his intended outcome?

either way, it's not a good thing......
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2012, 11:39:28 AM »

If you give him any credit for his foreign policy being good it is probably to much.
 It is not being a policeman but more like giving support to those expecting support from the leader of the free world as in the case of the Iranians begging for Obama to help them.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 01:07:11 PM »

Obama yesterday at the U.N. still blaming that stupid video for the burning of the Middle East by the inhabitants of the Middle East [the Peacefull and tolerant Musims]. Even though the evidence doesn't back that up.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 06:11:20 PM »

We should have never butted in during the seven day war , and told Henry Kissenger to stay home and leave Israel alone they were doing the right thing. Bring the boys  ALL home and let them kill each other. Been fighting for 3,000 years, aren't going to stop now ,,and QUIT send money over there we don't have ,. They have all that oil money and just laugh at us for being so dam dumb.../
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 07:13:30 PM »

I'm sure they see us as suckers and laugh at how stupid we are for giving them all that money. And I bet they wonder why we don't drill our own oil and stop paying them for their oil.
And those people have been at war with each other for centuries and if it weren't for their oil money they would still be riding camels and throwing rock at each other. Wait they are still riding camels and throwing rocks.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2012, 02:42:01 PM »

Anybody watch "The Project" last night on Blaze TV (channel 212 on Dish)?  Part 2 is supposed to be aired tonight.  I found it *very* interesting.  Several interviews with some educated people from positions where they know/have seen things the average person doesn't see.  It pertains to what appears to be an actual muslim plan for world control.  The typed up "plan", that is referred to as "The Project" was discovered in a raid on a radical muslim dwelling in Europe(?).  The program correlates things between "The Project" and current events of yesteryear, our current times, and possibly future times.

Here's a link that will get you Part 1... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-project-part-i-all-totalitarian-ideologies-are-threat-to-u-s/

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