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« on: September 17, 2012, 11:43:19 AM »

I can't believe nobody has said anything about the violence going on in the Muslim country's. And their hate for America on display. There were certain ones in this coffee house that told us how loving and peacefully the Muslims were a few months. I didn't understand it then and I still don't [the peacefull part that is].
They have killed unarmed Americans and are burning American flags and American schools. I think there are twenty countries involved in this violence. And alot of them get our money that has been borrowed from China that the tax payers will have to pay back to China.
This outfit running our country is blamming it on a U-tube video trying to cover for their own mishandling of foriegin affairs. If the video is really the problem then what should the christian have in this country when christian in Egypt were killed a few months ago. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 01:25:01 PM »

...given all that, what does it say about America and Americans when Americans kill Americans in America?

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 02:16:36 PM »

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...given all that, what does it say about America and Americans when Americans kill Americans in America?

we have nuts and criminals who kill people.  we don't have an organized religion or leaders of government going about killing people.  not quite the same.

what is happening in the middle east was completely predictable.  it was predicted here.  smiley 

bad as those dictators might have been, they kept the islamists in check and they protected minorities.  that is gone now.  the muslim brotherhood is, and has always been, a radical islamist group.  as much time as MBs have spent in the white house these last few years, you are left to wonder if this admin is completely incompetent, or if this was not anticipated and embraced from the first.

we were warned about this not only by non-mulsims familiar with these groups, but by muslims also. 

i don't think an obscure youtube video had much to do with it except as tool to whip people up and cover attacks. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 04:27:43 PM »

People will see what people *want* to see.

The White House has reported that the attack in Libya was a spontaneous attack from a lengthy demonstration against the muslim film on youtube.  A security guard, the Libyan president, and other witnesses have said it was a sudden, surprise attack with no forewarning...basically a terrorist attack.  The Obama administration has said that these individuals didn't have the "information" that the White House has and that they are wrong...even though these are eye witnesses and the president of this Middle East country.  But hey, if a muslim standing up inside a military fort in Texax yelling "Allah Akbar" and gunning down our men and women in uniform isn't regarded as a terrorist act by the current administration then certainly these middle east attacks will not be regarded as terrorist attacks either.  White supremacists *talking* or *planning* to kill muslims are deemed terrorists...some extremists with plans to blow up a bridge are considered domestic terrorists....but actually killing Americans and specifically soldiers out of hatred in a premeditated manner is not terrorism...that doesn't make sense.   huh

kathyp, you said a lot of true, factual things, but...refer back to my first sentence.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 11:23:26 AM »

...given all that, what does it say about America and Americans when Americans kill Americans in America?

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Americans who kill Americans alot of the time are bad people. But I fail to see the comparison with violence in lets say, Chicago, where there are hundreds of killings every year for what ever reason they kill each other for and the killings and destruction of property brought on by hate of Americans because of the teachings of the Muslim religion that say we are infidels.

BTW this violence is now spread to 27 countries at last count that I heard. And it seems it is being ignored by the ones in charge of keeping the U.S. safe.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 12:36:05 PM »

Sterling, all the government needs to do is borrow more money from China and tuck a few more billion into the creases of those aid packages headed to these "unhappy" countries.  Come on, they're our friends...what's a few more billion between friends so they can buy ammunition to kill us with?

Americans killing Americans is terrible, but every country on earth has the problem of countrymen killing fellow countrymen in normally one-on-one killings...it's called murder.   There has been murder since the time of Cain and Able (just so no one is confused, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and believe in God's Holy Word as being infallible.  Yes, I'm one of those. Smiley). It is easy to see that these muslim countries are unifying against the United States...some of the people in these countries might would kill each other under certain conditions but most of them are now unified in their blood-letting hatred and intent to kill citizens of the United States, the country itself, and friends of the United States.   They have a common goal...our destruction.

Non-muslims are considered infidels by muslims...*their* holy book tells them we are.  According to "the world" we are supposed to be tolerant of them, yet their intolerance of us is casually overlooked by "the world".   Their intolerance of us goes to the point of desiring to kill me, my wife, my kids, and grandkids if we don't bow to *their* desires....*their* holy book lays it out plainly that if we don't convert they are to kill us.  Many people say islam is a religion of peace...why then does *their* holy book command them to kill us for not converting?

No, the hatred of these muslims against the United States and their killing of Americans out of hatred has nothing to do with Americans killing Americans in this country.  I believe that what we are seeing is the beginning of a war that this world has never seen the likes of.  We just thought Iraq and Afghanistan were/are drawn out conflicts.  When these muslim countries, many of which have recently moved from dictatorships to radically controlled governments, begin to get their act together and reap the revenue from some of their oil deposits we may very well see terrorist groups that are better equipped than our own military and intelligence communities.  Their soldiers seek death and martyrdom.   The problem with wars since the Korean "conflict" is that there hasn't been clearly defined "front lines"...no "lines drawn in the sand".  But, thankfully, these places with no well defined front lines have been restricted to small areas of the world.  With the financing that these terrorists will have, the entire world will become the war zone.  It's hard, too, to fight an army that actually seeks death...our logic of family and self preservation cannot comprehend their motives and beliefs.

The shooter at Fort Hood wasn't a terrorist...the attack on Americans in Libya was a demonstration "gone bad"...come on, when will somebody with authority use some good, old-fashioned common sense and patriotism to run this country and call an ace an ace and a spade a spade? 

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American blood spilled to protect the freedom and peace of people all over the world.  320,000 USA casualties in WWI, 1,076,000 USA casualties in WWII, 128,000 USA casualties in the Korean War, 211,000 casualties in the Vietnam "conflict", 57,000 USA casualties in "War on Terror".  Benghazi, Libya, 13 USA casualties. These figures don't include 70,000 MIA.  But, the leaders of one political party of the United States of America continue to make the statement..."What difference does it make?".

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 12:45:33 PM »

I can't believe nobody has said anything about the violence going on in the Muslim country's. And their hate for America on display. There were certain ones in this coffee house that told us how loving and peacefully the Muslims were a few months... [ago]...


I am not one of those you mentioned.

http://news.yahoo.com/western-embassies-edgy-muslim-anger-film-simmers-000716007.html

For Blue and my other Politically Correct friends.  I wish to point out what democracy looks like in the Muslim world.  The picture of the celebrants included in this link are not pointing to the sky because their college football team just scored a touchdown.  These Afghan men and boys are celebrating the Mideast and Asian unrest beginning with the reported sodomy and murder of the United States of America’s Ambassador to the grateful country of Libya.  Libya you may remember is the same country were the President helped one group of murderous thugs we were not aligned with, over through another a second group of murderous thugs that we were aligned with.  I ask you, how does that help the USA make friends with and influence people in countries ruled by murderous thugs?  It doesn’t, it only makes all the murderous thugs mistrust and hate you more.   

Notice that the youngest in the above picture are leading this murderous procession and everyone else is advancing in echelons according to age.   This is in accordance with Hitler’s and Joseph Goebbels’s desire to “Educate” the young in the way that the state wanted the youth to go.  Also notice that the youngest on the front line have armed themselves with rocks.  This is in future expectations of arming themselves with hand grenades.   These are the same humans who have set for themselves the goal of taking over the world by conquering the Earth in the name of their god, and who during their Friday worship services sit in rapt attention while their ‘preacher’ teaches his congregation how to best whip, beat, and even murder their wives according to Allah‘s law as reviled to his Prophet, Mohammad.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 04:58:09 PM »

You know, there is more than one Blue on here Wink  Sometimes I get confused which one of us fine logical fact based Blue’s you’re addressing.

What is your solution?  What is Romney’s solution?  Bomb everybody?  Put Gdaffy back in charge (or his son)?
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 05:40:45 PM »

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What is your solution?  What is Romney’s solution?  Bomb everybody?  Put Gdaffy back in charge (or his son)?

my solution is that we lead from a position of strengh, rather than "lead from behind".  i'd save bombing as a last resort, but an effective on when called for. 

i do not think that it was a mistake that the call in the middle east was for democracy.  they understood what they were asking for, even if we did not.  democracy is the worst kind of government....unless you are the majority.

bad as those dictators appeared to us, they knew something we apparently didn't.  it was that, without strong and sometimes ruthless control, the islamists would take over.  they have.  that protection for minorities, women, children, and any kind of rule of law other than shiria, is now gone.  we must live with the results of our foolishness.
unfortunately, the muslims who really did want a positive change, must now live with it also.  as in iran, they will be oppressed along with anyone else who does not toe the sharia line.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 06:05:26 PM »

Check out the Salafast in Libya and find out how to whip and beat you wife in accordance with Allah's law.  The National Organization of Women are going to love that. 

You may have come a long way baby.  But once in a Mohammedan world you will be reduced to the drawers of water and the bearers of children who only count half as much in a court of law as a male.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 10:26:34 PM »

I wonder if any of our beeks have read the stories of Libyan’s protesting and fighting the Islamic extremists whom are trying to hijack their revolution?  

“A mass protest Friday against militias against the compounds of several armed groups in Benghazi lasted into early Saturday, as thousands stormed the headquarters of Ansar al-Shariah, an Islamic extremist group suspected in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate.”

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-militia-protests-show-frailty-libyan-state-174301962.html

Do beeks only see the bad apples in the fruit basket huh
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 10:16:50 AM »

do you think that because we do not rush to post, we do not see?  evil  and guess where i saw the first reports...even before yahoo, or those other leftist sites reported?  FOX news...and they had it on video so we could see.

ok, enough yanking your chain...

i don't know anyone who has claimed that all muslims in the middle east and africa are bad.  my observation has been that this admin has not understood...or maybe they did...the powers that were bound to emerge and take control.  considering how many MB reps have tromped through the WH, i'm guessing that at least some of the people in the WH understood perfectly what they were doing.

IF you are going to dump tax dollars into a country, region, or dispute, make sure you are supporting the right people.  as i said to my husband when we were watching the counter protests in Libya...that's where we should be spending and what we should be supporting.  instead, we have called their leader a liar and have been silent...after lying to the american public, about what really happened.

so yes, i have taken note.  i expect this president to treat these potential friends and he did the Iranian protesters a few years ago.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 04:52:04 PM »

I'm watching also and it proves there are a few good apples in some baskets. shocked And like Kathy I'm wondering if Obama will treat them as he did the people in the streets of Iran and let the bus run um down. Cry
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 10:18:18 PM »

Why do y’all think Obama should be the world’s policeman?  Controlling what everybody does and says?  Do you think he’s some sort of God or something and controls these Arab revolutions?  Yes, Obama is a descent President, but sometimes I think you're giving him TOO MUCH CREDIT in foreign affairs Wink
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2012, 11:35:59 AM »

but he did get involved in every bit of it.  so we are left to wonder:  is he totally incompetent and did not understand the outcome of his assistance in the "arab spring", or was this his intended outcome?

either way, it's not a good thing......
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2012, 11:39:28 AM »

If you give him any credit for his foreign policy being good it is probably to much.
 It is not being a policeman but more like giving support to those expecting support from the leader of the free world as in the case of the Iranians begging for Obama to help them.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 01:07:11 PM »

Obama yesterday at the U.N. still blaming that stupid video for the burning of the Middle East by the inhabitants of the Middle East [the Peacefull and tolerant Musims]. Even though the evidence doesn't back that up.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 06:11:20 PM »

We should have never butted in during the seven day war , and told Henry Kissenger to stay home and leave Israel alone they were doing the right thing. Bring the boys  ALL home and let them kill each other. Been fighting for 3,000 years, aren't going to stop now ,,and QUIT send money over there we don't have ,. They have all that oil money and just laugh at us for being so dam dumb.../
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 07:13:30 PM »

I'm sure they see us as suckers and laugh at how stupid we are for giving them all that money. And I bet they wonder why we don't drill our own oil and stop paying them for their oil.
And those people have been at war with each other for centuries and if it weren't for their oil money they would still be riding camels and throwing rock at each other. Wait they are still riding camels and throwing rocks.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2012, 02:42:01 PM »

Anybody watch "The Project" last night on Blaze TV (channel 212 on Dish)?  Part 2 is supposed to be aired tonight.  I found it *very* interesting.  Several interviews with some educated people from positions where they know/have seen things the average person doesn't see.  It pertains to what appears to be an actual muslim plan for world control.  The typed up "plan", that is referred to as "The Project" was discovered in a raid on a radical muslim dwelling in Europe(?).  The program correlates things between "The Project" and current events of yesteryear, our current times, and possibly future times.

Here's a link that will get you Part 1... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-project-part-i-all-totalitarian-ideologies-are-threat-to-u-s/

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2012, 08:51:22 PM »

I wonder if any of our beeks have read the stories of Libyan’s protesting and fighting the Islamic extremists whom are trying to hijack their revolution?  

“A mass protest Friday against militias against the compounds of several armed groups in Benghazi lasted into early Saturday, as thousands stormed the headquarters of Ansar al-Shariah, an Islamic extremist group suspected in the Sept. 11 attack...


And now for the rest of the story so to speak.

Now who is laughing about the so called anti-militia demonstrations NOT ongoing in Libya.  

http://news.yahoo.com/libya-thwarts-planned-anti-militia-protests-225119216.html

“TRIPOLI/BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - Authorities in Libya thwarted plans for a huge demonstration against militia in the capital Tripoli on Friday, while in Benghazi, scene of mass anti-militia protests last week, supporters of an ousted Islamist group returned to the streets.

Activists had hoped that a planned demonstration in the capital would be as successful as a giant anti-militia protest held in Benghazi last week, but only about 400 protesters turned up on Friday after the country's mufti and mosque preachers warned people not to attend.

Those that did turn up gathered in Tripoli's Algeria Square and then marched to the main Martyr's Square, chanting and clapping, and bemoaning what they described as an attempt to silence them.

"I am one of the people who carried a gun and fought (Muammar) Gaddafi, and now I am back on the square, to say 'no' again. No to the leaders of militia, yes to a civil state," said protester Murad Zikri,…”

It seems that few of Mr. Murad’s fellow Libyans share his desire for a “civil” state, whatever that means.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2012, 11:41:52 AM »

Several interviews with some educated people from positions where they know/have seen things the average person doesn't see.  It pertains to what appears to be an actual muslim plan for world control. 
Errr, I'm sure there are plans for muslim world control....just as there are christians with such plans (and prophesy)....heck, almost any group will claim to be able to run the world better than anyone else...women should run the world...college professors should run the world, business people should run the world, scientists should run the world...if you asked them, I bet a group of elementary school music teachers would say they should run the world.  To claim that there is such a plan, and to claim that it's existence demonstrates anything is akin to throwing a tied up woman in water to see if she floats...to determine if she is a witch.

Are we going to pretend that there aren't christians that think they should run the world...and have plans for how to do so?

As far as "some educated people" goes, I'm not sure what you are describing....arguably, the most educated people in the country are college professors.....they often cast themselves as experts in everything, but rarely are they seen that way by others.

The typed up "plan", that is referred to as "The Project" was discovered in a raid on a radical muslim dwelling in Europe(?).  [/quote]
...the link you provided offered a link that was to a translation of "the plan"....but if you try to follow the link, it is listed as private and not accessible.

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2012, 01:57:28 PM »

A couple of differences between Christians who think they know how to run the world and muslims that think they have do...

My lord Jesus Christ tells me to go forth and spread His Gospel...He tells me that if I'm unaccepted/unwelcomed to "shake the dust off your feet".  He does not tell me to kill the person who rebuffed the message, He does not tell me to curse the rebuffer, and actually He tells me to love and to pray for the rebuffer.

Mohammad writes in the koran that "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."  Apparently, Mohammad was told to instruct to simply kill the non-conformist infidels in a gruesome manner.

Slight differences.

When the end of time, as we know it, comes, I will be very comfortable in what God does with His people.  I won't comment on Allah, Mohammad, and the muslim people though I pray for the people's salvation.

I have to disagree with you on the college professors being the most educated people in the country, though I feel that may have been a tongue-in-cheek remark.  I see the mass majority of college professors as ultra-liberal (sorry, but I think you will agree)...very few ultra-conservative professors are seen today.  These "professors" manage to acquire a degree, write a doctorate or thesis or whatever on something they probably don't really have a clue about, and become a "doctor".  They then get a teaching position, manage to keep their job long enough to get tenure and then proceed to preach their agenda (rather than facts) to impressionable young minds.  These are the people (ultras on both sides) that need to be tied up, thrown in the water, and see "if they float".  Wink

As for the link within the link...yeah, it was a Scribd document which I don't necessarily care for.  I have found the document noted in several spots but haven't found a pdf file of it or whatever.

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2012, 04:04:08 PM »

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I bet a group of elementary school music teachers

would say they should run the world....  


We need to get togather some day and compare notes, it seems that we had the same elementary school music teacher. grin grin
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2012, 11:51:38 PM »

I have to disagree with you on the college professors being the most educated people in the country, though I feel that may have been a tongue-in-cheek remark. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2012, 02:08:57 PM »

The problem is,  when God talks, different people hear different things.  Can anyone provide a transcript of what God told them to do?  One that doesn't contradict itself?

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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2012, 06:47:03 PM »

Deknow, my transcript is God's Word the Holy Bible, I need nothing more.  No contradiction.  God that I speak of is the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the owner of the small quiet voice that spoke to Elijah, the god of David, the Father in Heaven of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2012, 05:31:58 PM »

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Can anyone provide a transcript of what God told them to do?... 

One that doesn't contradict itself?...


The Mohammedans have such a transcript, they call it the "Holy Quaran!"

It is the laws of God (Allah) as spoken by Allah to one man, Mohamed. No middle men here.
The contradictory thingy was solved years ago by stating that God changed his mind between one verse or version and any that are or that seem to contradict what was said before.
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2012, 05:47:32 PM »

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The problem is,  when God talks, different people hear different things...  Can anyone provide a

transcript of what God told them to do?...


You do seem to think that someone who hears voices (like most prophets do) is a sane and rational being, capable of being reasoned with. 

I hate to burst your bubble but it just ain't so.  There is only one rationality.

However I will stipulate that there are degrees of irrationality.

Now kindly point out to me a man or a woman who hears a little voice telling him or her to cut off the heads of a 1,000 men in one day and produce an argument that will convince a reasonable human that the person who ordered the beheading of a 1,000 men is rational, as you or I define rationality.
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2012, 09:35:27 AM »

Several interviews with some educated people from positions where they know/have seen things the average person doesn't see.  It pertains to what appears to be an actual muslim plan for world control. 
Errr, I'm sure there are plans for muslim world control....just as there are christians with such plans (and prophesy)....heck, almost any group will claim to be able to run the world better than anyone else...women should run the world...college professors should run the world, business people should run the world, scientists should run the world...if you asked them, I bet a group of elementary school music teachers would say they should run the world.  To claim that there is such a plan, and to claim that it's existence demonstrates anything is akin to throwing a tied up woman in water to see if she floats...to determine if she is a witch.

Are we going to pretend that there aren't christians that think they should run the world...and have plans for how to do so?

As far as "some educated people" goes, I'm not sure what you are describing....arguably, the most educated people in the country are college professors.....they often cast themselves as experts in everything, but rarely are they seen that way by others.

The typed up "plan", that is referred to as "The Project" was discovered in a raid on a radical muslim dwelling in Europe(?). 
...the link you provided offered a link that was to a translation of "the plan"....but if you try to follow the link, it is listed as private and not accessible.

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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2012, 01:45:37 PM »

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Can anyone provide a transcript of what God told them to do?  One that doesn't contradict itself?



I perfer to let actions speak and not mere words.

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After a six month siege on August 5, 1571, the Venetian commander  Marcantonio Bragadin surrendered the 8,000 man garrison at the fortress city of Famagusta Cyprus to an overwhelming Turkish force after running out of gunpowder.   Despite Moslem promise of safe passage out of Cyprus, the Muslim commander lined up his Christian prisoners for display in the town square. All were killed but their Italian Commander. After enduring an orgy of beatings and anal rapes Marcantonio Bragadin first had his nose and then his ears cut off.  Next he was forced to carry earth on his back like a slave. After being softened up by hanging by the neck from a galley yardarm, the Ottoman commander Lala Mustafa had Bragadin cut down, then chained him between two stone columns and ordered Bragadin skinned alive.

Fortunately eye witness accounts say that the Italian Commander expired about halfway through this new torture.  However not to be denied their fun and games, his tormenters continued.  His hide was stuffed with straw, then clothed, and ridden around the streets of Famagusta on the back of a cow.  Later this grizzly trophy was sent to the Turkish Sultan to admire.

After the attacks on the United States consulate in Bengasi on September 11, 2012 a similar Full Monty treatment was afforded our late ambassador to Libya, just short of being skinned alive that is.  So don’t try any of that “Oh that’s the way we humans interacted with one another back then", that is still the way a large group living in the Middle East interact with their fellow humans today. 

These and even worse actions are what the “Peaceful Religion of Mohammedanism has in store for those of you it conquers or captures.  Never believe otherwise.  Today the peaceful Ottoman Commander who killed Marcantonio Bragadin has a Mosque in Famagusta named for him, the Lala Mustafa pasha Mosque.
     

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM »

The 50th anniversary of a blockbuster movie is scheduled for a digital up grade and re-release this year. 

This movie is Lawrence of Arabia.  The United States Army used to distribute copies of Lawrence of Arabia to the instructors at the Redstone Arsenal Army Missile Command.  This is where personnel from governments that purchased defensive missile systems from us went to learn how to aim, fire, service, and maintain SAMs and other million dollar WOOOOSH bullets.

The movie Lawrence of Arabia was once used to teach Army and civilian instructors about Arabic society.  As best as I remember this movie is 4 or more hours long.  However I can attest that it is a very good primer for understanding the Arabic mind and culture.   I recommend that you watch it for it’s educational value.   All the major characters in the flick are real flesh and blood people.

Anthony Quinn’s character is Auda ban Harb al-Abo Seed al-Mazro al-Tamame abu Tayi. When Aubu abu Tayi came to power he set his natal tribe on a new path to riches, raiding.  I wish to point out the Fascist nature of Berber, Bedouin, Southern Steppe and some Arab cultures when Auda abu Tayi brags to Colonel T. E. Lawrence that….  “I am a river unto my people,” meaning abu Tayi’s powers as a military commander are responsible for his tribe’s wealth. 

This establishes the Fascist or National Socialist nature of tribal Arab, Berber, and Bedouin culture going back to and beyond the Pharos of Egypt, as opposed to the atheistic nature of Marxism or “International Socialism” which is rooted in, and only came to prominence in 19th Century pan Europeanism. 

I consider Reinhard Heydrich (The Butcher of Prague) as the European equivalent of a successful Mohammedan (As opposed to a secular Mid East) ruler like Muammar Kaddafi or King Abdullah the 2nd of Jordan.   



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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2012, 10:12:56 AM »

Did you see that Hilliary is taking the fall for the administration on the killings in Benghazi of the four Americans. After Obama, Biden, Rice, Clinton and all their spokes people publicly lien about the terrorist attacks for over a month Obama is now going to let Clinton take the blame.
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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2012, 11:09:39 AM »

most of it does fall in her lap because the security arrangements for these embassies and outposts are done through state BUT the state department is the diplomatic arm of the presidents international policy.  If his policy is, as it appears to be, that we keep a low profile and make nice with the locals, then it is Hillarys job to implement that policy.  that means the incident fall squarely on the president.

the policy and what it lead to is not nearly as important now as the coverup that has followed. why cover up?  because it shows failed policy. 

The president would have already known that his policy was failing because these are the kind of issues that he is briefed on daily....except he doesn't bother going to the briefings, he just reads the synopsis. 

he seems to like the title far more than he likes the work.   

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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2012, 05:00:21 PM »

I have a friend who was a State Department security officer and I think it was while he was still in the Army.  If this is true it is another lie by the Administration because the President is the Commander in Chief of all the United States 5 branches of the military.  Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard.  I'll ask him.  (My friend that is)

Obama is forgeting that it was he and not his Democrat Primary opponent Hillary R. Clinton, who won the 2008 Presidential Election. But if I was Obama I would not want to remember it myself.
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2012, 05:00:57 PM »

I don't believe in geniside but in the case of what the muslims are capable of doing-- maybe waranted---
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2012, 11:19:14 PM »

On June 6 2012 Islamic terrorist blew a hole in the wall of our consulate in Bengasi, after over 90 days no effort was made to rebuild the wall.  

Furthermore the final attack on our consulate in Bengasi began at 9:40PM 12 hours to the minute that the  9-11-2001 attacks began in New York City at 9:40AM 11 years earlier.  And still CNN’s crack bleep not to mention the former Arkansas Rose law firm’s crack harlot either covers up for the President or takes one on his behalf.  If no Democrat is elected to prominent national office for the next two generations it would be to soon.

The people you and I sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in 2008 are worst than incompetent, they are criminally negligent, and every man, woman, and child living in America is in mortal danger until these politicians are sent to wherever it is that washed up politicians go.  
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2012, 07:47:05 AM »

And tomorrow Obama will once again be saying terrorism is behind us now and in 4 more years he can fix the rest of the stuff.
Too many people will not believe it is happening until it hits our streets and neighborhoods. Terrorists is an export from the Mideast we can do without.
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2012, 07:43:17 PM »

The debate Monday night will be interesting just to see how Obama spins the terrorist attacks in Libya and see if the mod helps him out like the last mod did.
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2012, 11:22:18 PM »

there are two possibilities with obama's mid-east/asia/africa policies.  1. he does not understand the factions at work in these countries.  or 2. he does understand the factions at work in these counties.

the first would make him to stupid to be president for one second longer.  personally, i don't think he's stupid. 

that leaves the 2nd option.  i had pondered this for a long time.  i don't think the obama is a closet muslim, although i think he has strong sympathies in that direction.  i don't think it was his main goal to set radical islam free.  so...what has made him support radicals over the status quo in these countries?
  he has had a bunch of muslim brotherhood and that type through the WH.  people that other muslims have warned against.  did he not know who these people were?  when they were assuring him that "democracy" would reign in the ME after these revolutions, did he believe them?  did he understand what democracy meant to them?

i think he does not care who they are.  they are incidental to his goals.  i could not quite get a handle on his goals...
he's not quite a socialist, although much of what he believes is textbook marx.  he's not exactly a fascist although much of what he's done would have made hitler or mussolini proud.

i went and saw 2016 and then i picked up the book by Dinesh D'Souza.  i had a big Ah Ha moment because his explanation of anti-colonialism was the exact description of obama's policy.  the book didn't give me a different view of obama, but it gave me a far better understanding of why he does what he does.  i highly recommend the book "The Roots of Obama's Rage" just to get a better view of the man, even if you will still vote for him.

if redress of wrongs perpetrated by the colonial powers (of which we are one, in his mine) is the goal, then you don't really care about the end result as long as the colonial powers or their puppets (dictators) are put out of power.  it's not about equality, democracy, islamists, etc.  it's about a re-ordering of the world with the formerly powerful brought down to the level of those they have "oppressed".
 you know....you can't keep your thermostat at 70 degrees, and drive that big SUV and just expect the rest of the world to go along with that.
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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2012, 09:55:04 AM »

there are two possibilities with obama's mid-east/asia/africa policies.  1. he does not understand the factions at work in these countries.  or 2. he does understand the factions at work in these counties.

the first would make him to stupid to be president for one second longer.  personally, i don't think he's stupid.  

that leaves the 2nd option. <snip...>

He's not stupid, I agree.  He knows exactly what he is doing, or, shall I say, the fingers attached to his puppet strings know exactly what they're doing.  

Money equates to power and under Obama's leadship this country has veered onto the fast-track to bankruptcy and a image of mediocrity (or less) in the world's view.  Looking at Obama's background, his "mentors", his "running buddies", etc.,.in my ignorant, uneducated redneck mind I see him as a socialist or some neo-socialist mutant.   To him the world is indeed in chaos...and his plan is to put the world into a new order of things.  

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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2012, 02:53:22 PM »

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i went and saw 2016 and then i picked up the book by Dinesh D'Souza.  i had a big Ah Ha moment because his explanation of anti-colonialism was the exact description of Obama's policy.  the book didn't give me a different view of Obama, but it gave me a far better understanding of why he does what he does...   i highly recommend... "The Roots of Obama's Rage" just to get a better view of the man, even if you will still vote for him...

If you will read Sir Winston Churchill's first two books:
The Story of the Malakand Field Force: an Episode of Frontier War.
The River War: An Account of the Reconquest of the Sudan.

The Story of the Malaland Field Force, Churchill's first book gives an account of war on the northern British-Indian border in the 1890s.  In otherwords on the Pakistan Afghanistan frontier.  Pakistan is a country Obama claimed in his own books that he visited as a young man.  He  would have had to travel on a foreign passport to get there because US citizens were forbidden to go to Pakistan and if he had reentered this country with a Pakistan customs stamp in his U. S. passport it would have been an automatic jail term.

The second book also ties into D'Souza's book about Obama and his hatred of Churchill.  I am not sure that Dinesh D'Souza is even familiar with these two works.  He did not mention them in the first edition of "The Roots of Obama's Rage."  But do remember that Obama's father's tribe (The Luo) migrated South from The Sudan into parts of South Sudan, and Kenya and that Obama's relatives may well have fared poorely once the English reconquered the Sudan and once again one more time violently attempted to put an end to slave catching by Islamic tribes like Obama's.

An English adventurer named Walter Daramaple Maynard "Karamojo" Bell hunted elephants extensively in this area right after Churchill left.  He wrote a very good description of the terror created by the sudden appearance of a large group of armed men (A Safari) made on the local population.  He also wrote about recovering several women for one tribe after they had been abducted by Islamic slavers around 100 years ago.  The book is "The Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter"  I don't claim it deserves a Nobel Prize for Literature, but it is a very good all round book combining: Adventure, History, Nature, Travel, Sociology, Anthropology, and Psychology seasoned with a hint of Physics.   
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