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« on: August 17, 2012, 08:38:51 PM »

You would think that a bingo hall full of geezers couldn’t remember where they hid their weapons little less how to use them on Social Security personnel.  Well maybe not.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/social-security-administration-explains-plan-buy-174000-hollow-point-bullets
This is just the tip of the spear our current president is sharpening to use against you.

Do you good people remember this clip from the 2008 Presidential Camp gain?

Obama Civilian Security


Folks, as Bob Dylan said, "The times they are a-changing…" but not for the better.

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 11:12:02 PM »

one of the explanations for the massive ammo purchases what they they needed to have enough for target practice so the agents could stay qualified.  they are also buying for two different and higher caliber weapons that they have issued in the past.

even if what they say is true, there is something very wrong with this.  come on shooters.  you can spot it.  hint:  it's along the line of 90 dollar hammers.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 11:32:45 PM »

I think that was $600 hammers.  Anyway I think the hammers were Titanium and they were intended for use by maintenance personell working in ICBM missile silos.  Titanium hammers will not strike a spark during use or if dropped.  A spark could ignite an ICBM missle and the heat plume could be mistaken from space for a US nuclear first strike against the USSR, causing an immediate Soviet nuclear counter strike.  Considering the alternative, $600 seems a bargain.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 11:56:35 PM »

Kingbee, where did you come up with the idea that a titanium hammer will not spark and set of an ICBM?

This from a titanium framing hammer sold on amazon:
“be aware that it (the hammer) will spark if chipped”.
http://www.amazon.com/Stiletto-TI14MC-14-OunceTitanium-Framing-Hammer/dp/product-description/B00002265Y

I think I would be more worried about ESD setting one of the dang things off, than a falling $600 hammer.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 11:03:31 AM »

ammo, folks.  hollow points.  target practice. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 04:17:10 PM »

You use wad cutters for target practice. better known as dum-dums. also the non-sparking hammers are Berilium copper.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 05:18:58 PM »

Law enforcement and military use the ammo that they use in real situations for target practice. A hollow points tragectory is different from a FMJ or SPRN. It doesn't work to target practice with the round you will not be firing in a real life situation.

If you are in the business of Forging SS Cards and selling them to illegal Immigrants it is a pretty safe bet that the SS agents need to be armed when they come through your front door.

Now lets do a little math here.
174000 rounds /50 per box= 3480 boxes
3480 boxes / 295 officers =11 boxes each.
Not even 1 box per agent per month.

They should have bought 10 times that much... When I target practice for a single day I go through 4-5 boxes... And that is just to get on target for deer season. I am not practicing for a shoot out with a criminal in an urban environment where innocent bi-standers could be involved.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2012, 09:05:11 PM »

... Kingbee, where did you come up with the idea that a titanium hammer will not spark... This from a titanium framing hammer sold on amazon... “be aware that it (the hammer) will spark if chipped”...

Three "Whys" come to mind.

Why even mention "...will spark if chipped" unless there is a titanium coating on the hammer that can be damaged or chipped, resulting in a metal becoming exposed that will strike sparks.  

Why even mention that if the prespective buyers of said hammer aren't expecting a non-sparking tool?

Why in the Samhill would anyone want a Titanium claw hammer?  That sucker would be so light that you would have to swing it with both hands to generate enough kinetic energy to drive a frame nail.  angel   grin
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2012, 09:13:32 PM »

... the non-sparking hammers are Berilium copper.

That makes better sense.  At least they're heavy enough to hammer with.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 10:36:43 PM »

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Law enforcement and military use the ammo that they use in real situations for target practice. A hollow points tragectory is different from a FMJ or SPRN. It doesn't work to target practice with the round you will not be firing in a real life situation.

bull.  handguns are only good at short distances.  any slight difference in trajectory, is not an issue.  it's not like you are going for head shots when you take someone down.   very few law enforcement ever have to shoot at someone.  all of them need to spend a lot of time on the range.  hollow points are expensive.  in the grand scheme of government waste, this is probably small, but still a waste. 

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 06:15:16 AM »

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Law enforcement and military use the ammo that they use in real situations for target practice. A hollow points tragectory is different from a FMJ or SPRN. It doesn't work to target practice with the round you will not be firing in a real life situation.

bull.  handguns are only good at short distances.  any slight difference in trajectory, is not an issue.  it's not like you are going for head shots when you take someone down.   very few law enforcement ever have to shoot at someone.  all of them need to spend a lot of time on the range.  hollow points are expensive.  in the grand scheme of government waste, this is probably small, but still a waste. 

Yes hollow points do cost more... about double per round on average. But a FMJ goes right through a person, the TV and Wall and into other people. A hollow point flattens on impact and stops where it hits first. So that extra 20 cents or so per round is money wells pent when you compare it to the millions the government is going to pay out to the parents of the 5 year old kid from down the street who happened to be sleeping over that night.

It looks to me that this is a prime example of money well spent. They bought very few rounds all things considered. Ammo has a shelf life. In the Military we practiced with the stuff on the verge of expiring. The 50 cals we had could burn through 500.00 in ammo a minute (that is in the 90s) we could easily use up 10s of thousands of dollars of ammo at the range in a few hrs.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2012, 11:21:25 AM »

i don't have a problem with hollow points for out on the job.  i have a problem using them for target practice.  i, too, can shoot through many round on the range.  i don't use hollow points to practice though.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2012, 12:39:53 PM »

Very easy to buy the most expensive when you are not spending your own money, and it is coming from a seemingly endless supply.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2012, 01:10:47 PM »

I had a friend on the SBI (NC) when he qualified with his .38special he only used 6 rounds to qualify. He brought me the remainder of the box , they were wad cutters or dumdums  FOR qualifying...
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »

During WWII one Russian NKVD officer supposedly killed 7,000 Polish POWs for Russian Dictator Joseph Stalin. He Used a .25 caliber Walter pocket pistol likely a model 9, it only took him 28 days to murder 7,000 men, all one at a time and up close and personal.  One shot, one kill.

Stalin's reason for ordering this slaughter is similar to Hitler's motives for his death camps, the removal of all elite (Counter Revolutionary) elements that stood in the way of an International Socialist (Communist) takeover of Poland much like Hitler feared counter revolution against his National Socialist (Nazi) during WWII.  It must also be remembered that after WWI Poland badly defeated the USSR in an earlier war.  Stalin was taking no chances on it happening again.  I guess in Stalin's case revenge IS a dish best eaten cold.

If there is ever any reason for the Social Security Administration to conduct a raid on a Social Security Card forgery ring in China, SEAL Team 6 would be the better force to employ, not a gaggle of trigger happy bean counters popping Rogain and Viagra.  At any rate, what is the problem with the Social Security Administration, or the EPA, or the Department of Fisheries, or the ATF, or the DHLS, or the IRS or even the National Weather Service asking the FBI or local law enforcement agencies to supply the muscle to conduct raids?  

http://truthfrequencynews.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/
Now what use does the National Weather Service have for hollow point ammo?  Are they are going to fight on the cold front or arrest a Hurricane?

The problem is that whoever is the head of these Federal agencies are getting off on having his or her own personal army, complete with conventional crew served weapons.  The CF that erupted in the aftermath of both the Ruby Ridge tragedy, and the Waco, Texas Branch Davidian raid are prime arguments for letting the FBI or local Po-Po do it.  There must be a reason that the President didn't send Hartford, Connecticut National Guard troops to Pakistan to take out bin Laden.  

It is a violation of the Geneva Convention for the Department of Homeland Security to fire even a hollow point warning shot over the head of an al Quida terrorist.  Nation states may only use hollow point ammo to either mangle or kill their own citizens, its the law. How don't you feel privileged?
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2012, 04:42:23 PM »

Once again an example of an agency going beyond it's intention. Social Security is not law enforcement. What next,the Department of Transportation arming against unlicensed drivers?  Well,only if they are legal residents.
Let enforcing laws up to the law enforcement people. Every agency does not need to be armed,especially if they are trying to limit guns law abiding citizens may have. I really do not think the issue is cost so much as why do they have guns!!

In the video Obama talks of a "civilian" force just as strong and well funded as our regular military. Quite disturbing if you ask me.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2012, 04:50:23 PM »

May be if he looses the election he is going to turn Al Roker loose on the nation. shocked
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2012, 07:17:54 PM »

... May be ...he is going to turn Al Roker loose on the nation....

Mr. President you can boil me in oil, you can knock my block clean off... but please, please, please don't through me in that thair brier patch!   grin
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2012, 05:50:38 PM »

I wonder how many Research ships, and remote Weather Stations the National Weather Service operates and how many security officers they employ in the protection of those vital resources?
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2012, 08:05:50 PM »

When I go to the range before hunting season I may only shoot 3 or 4 rounds per gun.  They were sighted in when I finished with them the first year I had them, now I am only checking that they are still sighted in.  If one is not then a few rounds latter and it will be.  Some times I will go out just plinking with a 22 or SKS.  And for the pistols it doesn't matter that much, hollow point,wad cutter, etc. I shot a 1911 45, also have ruger 22 but the 45 is more accurate.  Depending where I am deer hunting is which gun I like, if I don't have to tote it a log ways I like the BAR 300 mag with extended range high shock rounds. It doesn't mess up the meat, small hole entering and exiting.


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