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Offline little john

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Frame Jig
« on: February 18, 2016, 05:57:26 AM »
Up until now I've been making frames one at a time - a relaxed winter job in front of the fire ... 

However, I'm now going into nuc production and need several hundred of them asap. So, need a jig. BUT - none of the designs on the web filled me with much enthusiasm .... that is, until I found this brilliant idea:



And then I discovered that it's the brainchild of someone on here, and the subject of a thread way back in 2012. http://www.beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=37509.msg314703#msg314703
Well - I reckon it deserves another airing, and maybe should even be made a sticky.

Right now I'm just waiting for some bungee cord to arrive. :smile:

Many thanks, Hardwood.

LJ



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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 08:09:49 AM »
Not a bad system.  If you hold the "box" together with the bungee cords, you can pull the sides of the box out rather than having to pull each frame off.  I have the Walter T. Kelley one that uses springs to hold the ends, but after you are done they fall off pretty easily.  https://www.kelleybees.com/Shop/42/Hives-Components/Frame-Accessories/3969/Universal-Frame-Nailing-Device

If I were making one, it would probably be this one:
http://www.myoldtools.com/Bees/framejig/framejig.htm
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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 08:59:46 AM »
Hello Michael - we're singing on the same hymn sheet regarding frame removal - which could benefit from improvement.

This is a worksheet showing what I'm planning (for British National deeps) - as you suggest, held together by the bungee cords:
 


One problem I face is that frame wood thickness varies a little between various suppliers - so I intend fitting removable shims (in blue) to accomodate that variation. With those shims removed, the frames should slide off much more easily.

'best
LJ

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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 12:51:36 PM »
It has been a long since we have heard from Scott Hardwood. His house burned down and he was building a new one in a new location that didn't have internet.
Has anyone heard from Scott or Peggy?
Jim
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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 01:00:07 PM »
I found Scott and Peggy's number and called them.
They are still working on building their house. They are in good health and working their bees.
Scott has lots of videos that when he gets back on he will start uploading.
I can't wait to view them. They makes great bee removal videos. If you want to see a good one, here is their Beelining Video.
Beelining.wmv
Jim
For some reason it is not copying properly but you can copy it and do a search from the home page to see it.
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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 01:59:54 PM »
I built mine (and my box jig) like the link michael posted. 

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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 02:28:53 PM »
I found Scott and Peggy's number and called them.
They are still working on building their house. They are in good health and working their bees.
Scott has lots of videos that when he gets back on he will start uploading.
I can't wait to view them. They makes great bee removal videos. If you want to see a good one, here is their Beelining Video.
Beelining.wmv
Jim
For some reason it is not copying properly but you can copy it and do a search from the home page to see it.

For anyone interesed in beelining - here's the full link:



Jim - thanks for that link - it makes for good watchin'.  Scott comes across as being a really nice guy - great pity about his house - that's a bummer. But, as long as nobody got hurt ...

LJ

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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 12:51:10 PM »
LJ,
Thanks for posting the video.
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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2016, 09:43:03 AM »
Bit of an update ...

Although the jig from post #1 was built some time ago, I didn't get around to actually using it until this morning.  As a jig it works like a charm - except - if you're a tad over-generous with the wood glue, it can run down the frame side and glue the frame firmly onto the jig !  Easily fixed - a sheet of plastic wrapped around the jig sides.  I'm sure suitably applied plastic tape would do the same job.

Other than that (very slight) mod - it's been performing perfectly.
LJ


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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2016, 12:15:26 PM »
Thanks for the update. You could also put wax on it. To make it easy just wipe some paste wax on the boards and you will not have to play with the plastic.
Jim
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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2016, 03:04:49 PM »
Of course - I'm only surrounded by kilos of wax in various forms - so how come I didn't see the obvious ?

Thanks for that - that's the good thing about forums - one person seeing something another person doesn't ...

Just finished the first 200 frames - and despite the bitterly cold persistent North wind we're being subjected to right now (thanks to the 'hot box').  The jig is proving to be a very useful bit of kit - but, oh what a boring job ... !  I'm not at all good with repetitive tasks.

But - I've lots more to do, so think I'll take a break from frames and build an OA Vapouriser from a heat gun - it's an idea I've been mulling over for a while now.

Thanks again, Jim.
LJ

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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2016, 10:32:36 PM »
No problem. Glad it helped.
Sometimes I like doing repetitious work. It gives me time to think.
Jim
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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 01:33:01 PM »

But - I've lots more to do, so think I'll take a break from frames and build an OA Vapouriser from a heat gun - it's an idea I've been mulling over for a while now.

LJ

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Re: Frame Jig
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2016, 04:57:10 PM »
Of course - I'm only surrounded by kilos of wax in various forms - so how come I didn't see the obvious ?

Thanks for that - that's the good thing about forums - one person seeing something another person doesn't ...

Just finished the first 200 frames - and despite the bitterly cold persistent North wind we're being subjected to right now (thanks to the 'hot box').  The jig is proving to be a very useful bit of kit - but, oh what a boring job ... !  I'm not at all good with repetitive tasks.

But - I've lots more to do, so think I'll take a break from frames and build an OA Vapouriser from a heat gun - it's an idea I've been mulling over for a while now.

Thanks again, Jim.
LJ
Have you seen the OA vaporizers that have been built for heat guns? There is one made in Italy that is pretty slick.  I am going to build one as well. I am pretty much going to copy that deaign. 

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