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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #300 on: October 22, 2012, 02:48:23 PM »
Neither The Huffington Post, nor AlterNet is an objective or fair source of information.

If you want to see how government actions impact or will impact you, look at the subject from the point of view of an insider or experience the subject from the first person point of view like in the truncated post that follows.

Here are a few observations about America under the “Current Occupant” as seen through the eyes of a former resident of the (Choose one) the Former Soviet Union, The Union of Soviet Socalist Republics, Russia, Commie Land, or The Peoples’ Marxist Workers’ Paradise.  The author‘s insight comes from living in all of these places from about 1965 until around 1990.

http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/contradictions-of-socialism-i-saw-the-future-ran-away-t3076.html

"The six dialectical contradictions of socialism in the USSR:
There is full employment - yet no one is working.
No one is working - yet the factory quotas are fulfilled.
The factory quotas are fulfilled - yet the stores have nothing to sell.
The stores have nothing to sell - yet people got all the stuff at home.
People got all the stuff at home - yet everyone is complaining.
Everyone is complaining - yet the voting is always unanimous."

"Economic justice:
America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.
Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.
They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.
Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.
The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries."

"Hollywood cliches:
Without capitalism there'd be no Hollywood - yet filmmakers hate capitalism.
Filmmakers hate capitalism - yet they sue for unauthorized copying of their movies.
They sue for unauthorized copying - yet on screen they teach us to share.
On screen they teach us to share - yet they keep their millions to themselves.
They keep their millions to themselves - yet they revel in stories of American misery and depravity.
They revel in stories of American misery and depravity - yet they blame the resulting anti-American sentiment on conservatism.
They blame the anti-American sentiment on conservatism - yet conservatism ensures the continuation of a system that makes Hollywood possible."

"People's power:
Liberals believe they're advancing people's power - yet they don't believe people can do anything right without their guidance.
People can't do anything right - yet the government bureaucracy can do everything.
The government bureaucracy can do everything - yet liberals don't like it when the government takes control of their lives.
Liberals don't like it when the government takes control of their lives - yet they vote for programs that increase people's dependency on the government.
They vote for programs that increase people's dependency on the government - yet they believe they're advancing people's power."

"Bush and the media:
The media said Bush was dumb - yet he won over two intelligent Democrats.
He won over two intelligent Democrats - yet the media said his ratings were hopeless.
The media said his ratings were hopeless - yet the 2004 electoral map was red.
The 2004 electoral map was red - yet the media said his policies failed.
The media said his policies failed - yet the economy grew and the war was won.
The economy grew and the war was won - yet the media said we needed "change."

"Public education:
Liberals have been in charge of education for 50 years - yet education is out of control.
Education is out of control - yet liberal teaching methods prevail.
Liberal teaching methods prevail - yet public schools are failing.
Public schools are failing - yet their funding keeps growing.
Their funding keeps growing - yet public schools are always underfunded.
Public schools are always underfunded - yet private schools yield better results for less.
Private schools yield better results for less - yet public education is the only way out of the crisis."

"Foreign radicals:
Foreign radicals hate America - yet they're all wearing American blue jeans.
They're all wearing American blue jeans - yet they disdain American culture.
They disdain American culture - yet they play American music, movies, and video games.
They play American music, movies, and video games - yet they call Americans uncivilized.
They call Americans uncivilized - yet they expect Americans to defend their civilization.
They expect Americans to defend their civilization - yet they think American capitalism is outdated.
They think American capitalism is outdated - yet most of their countries require American handouts."

"Liberals and taxes:
Liberals want to help the poor - yet they won't give money to charities.
They won't give money to charities - yet they'd like the government to become a gigantic charity.
They'd like the government to become a gigantic charity - yet the money has to be taken from people by force.
The money has to be taken from people by force - yet they call it welfare.
They call it welfare - yet higher taxes make everyone poorer.
Higher taxes make everyone poorer - yet liberals find ways not to pay taxes.
Liberals find ways not to pay taxes - yet they get to be chosen to run the government."

"Liberals and the CIA:
The CIA is a reactionary institution - yet its agents always leak information that helps liberals politically.
CIA agents always leak information that helps liberals politically - yet liberals say the CIA is clueless.
Liberals say the CIA is clueless - yet in their movies the CIA is running the world.
In their movies the CIA is running the world - yet they tell us that better intelligence could have prevented the war.
Better intelligence could have prevented the war - yet "enhanced interrogations" of captured terrorists must not be allowed."

"Love and marriage:
Sex differences are the result of social conditioning - yet homosexuality is biological.
Homosexuality is biological - yet everybody is encouraged to experiment with it.
Everybody is encouraged to experiment with it - yet venereal diseases are treated at the taxpayers' expense.
Venereal diseases are treated at the taxpayers' expense - yet taxpayers have no right to impose standards since there are no moral absolutes.
There are no moral absolutes - yet gay marriage is an absolute must.
Gay marriage is an absolute must - yet family is an antiquated tool of bourgeois oppression."

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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #301 on: October 22, 2012, 04:25:31 PM »
HOW TRUE.
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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #302 on: October 22, 2012, 08:52:55 PM »
Some plain ole common sense right there. :)

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« Reply #303 on: October 22, 2012, 09:44:49 PM »
Fun thoughts.  Thanks kingbee.

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« Reply #304 on: November 07, 2012, 03:54:54 AM »
Gonna be awful quiet around here for a few days I think...

Nice thing about being Independent is that partisanship doesn't cloud your vision and there aren't any surprises when you can see clearly

I am proud to live in a country were the highest office isn't for sale, regardless of who spends the most money, the people have the last say... I think in 4 more years we will see a lot less money donated and spent, because it didn't buy the interest groups anything this time around.
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« Reply #305 on: November 07, 2012, 05:06:08 PM »
I think in 4 more years we will see a lot less money donated and spent, because it didn't buy the interest groups anything this time around.



It appears to me the dems raised and spent more money, by just little bit; then dems win election, by just a little bit. How do such . . . "coincidences"  . . . match with your conclusion?

I think that what this election secured was a future of high dollar, nasty attack ads early and often.  (I note that the Swiftboat attacks can be credited with elevating nasty attack ads' importance, i don't think this is a partisan issue, just an ongoing reality).

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« Reply #306 on: November 07, 2012, 05:34:15 PM »
Gonna be awful quiet around here for a few days I think...

Nice thing about being Independent is that partisanship doesn't cloud your vision and there aren't any surprises when you can see clearly

I am proud to live in a country were the highest office isn't for sale, regardless of who spends the most money, the people have the last say... I think in 4 more years we will see a lot less money donated and spent, because it didn't buy the interest groups anything this time around.

This country is in serious trouble
Financially: 16 trillion in debt and rising. We are approaching our debt ceiling soon.
Unemployment is and has been for months on end at 8%. Real unemployment over 14%.
Educational system is putting out students way behind many countries of the world. Some in high school can barley read.
Energy: coal mining being shut down in parts of the country, oil fields being shut down making us more dependent on foreign countries.
Our southern borders are extremely unprotected letting in millions of illegals yearly. Who BTW live off our hard working people once here.
Liberties in our personal health care are about to be taken away.
Our relationship with the countries of the Middle East is in shambles. The Taliban is not on the run. Iran building Nucs to destroy Israel and the US.
The racial divide is worse then I have seen it in my life and I was around before MLK started marching.
This is just a short list but maybe you get my point.

And you are going to pat yourself on the back because you voted for a man who offered absolutely no solutions for these and any other problems one might mention.

GONGRATALATIONS Bluegrass you are my hero.

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« Reply #307 on: November 07, 2012, 05:44:34 PM »
When the very old folks start talking about how nice it was during 1931, 32, and 33, we will remind them of who voted for the conditions that made the memories change.
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #308 on: November 07, 2012, 06:47:49 PM »
Gonna be awful quiet around here for a few days I think...

Nice thing about being Independent is that partisanship doesn't cloud your vision and there aren't any surprises when you can see clearly

I am proud to live in a country were the highest office isn't for sale, regardless of who spends the most money, the people have the last say... I think in 4 more years we will see a lot less money donated and spent, because it didn't buy the interest groups anything this time around.

Obviously the billion dollars spent by the Obama crowd will not buy any influence. Especially the money from overseas!!
Another topic the main stream pundits never questioned. Just like they forget to mention the Clinton administration with the Ryadi money.
This election was won by the MSM and the people  that only pay attention for one month every election cycle. The popular vote definitely did not give a mandate.


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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #309 on: November 12, 2012, 01:59:53 PM »
Gonna be awful quiet around here for a few days I think...

Nice thing about being Independent is that partisanship doesn't cloud your vision and there aren't any surprises when you can see clearly

I am proud to live in a country were the highest office isn't for sale, regardless of who spends the most money, the people have the last say... I think in 4 more years we will see a lot less money donated and spent, because it didn't buy the interest groups anything this time around.
I certainly hope so.
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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #310 on: November 12, 2012, 02:22:12 PM »
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because it didn't buy the interest groups anything this time around.

of course it helped.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

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« Reply #311 on: November 15, 2012, 10:30:45 AM »
Kathy
Scroll down below the graph and look at "Outside Money" It was the "outside money" I was referring to in my post above. Please note the disclaimer that states "since April 1st may reflect more recent money than contained in totals".

This is where Romney pulls ahead of Obama... Outside of the Campaign, RNC, and Primary super pac money, and in the Private Super Pacs..
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« Reply #312 on: November 15, 2012, 12:12:54 PM »
I heard that 85% of super PAC money went to Romney. What a waste of money in this economy. I wonder how it will all pan out next time when the PACs see how wasted their money was.
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« Reply #313 on: November 15, 2012, 12:20:54 PM »
The money left over is all profit for the PAC operators and there is a loophole that makes that profit tax free.... They make millions off of it which is why Rove runs a Super Pac. It is also why I only give directly to the Campaigns if I make a donation at all.

Politics is really easy to understand, all you have to do is follow the money trail. 
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« Reply #314 on: November 15, 2012, 12:46:31 PM »
The money left over is all profit for the PAC operators and there is a loophole that makes that profit tax free.... They make millions off of it which is why Rove runs a Super Pac. It is also why I only give directly to the Campaigns if I make a donation at all.

Politics is really easy to understand, all you have to do is follow the money trail. 
Holy cow--seriously?!? I should start a campaign.
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« Reply #315 on: November 15, 2012, 12:57:04 PM »
Yes.. After the election is over they are called "Zombie Super Pacs" You can google it and read about how the money gets used afterwards and the complete lack of regulation.

It isn't about getting anybody elected in my opinion. It is about getting people fired up and milking them for cash.

I am estimating based on media reports that Karl Rove's Super Pac American Crossroads has about 150 million left over... all tax free to use as he chooses. Ole Rove doesn't do anything that doesn't make him a hunk of cash... He is good to go for another 4 years when he will rake it in again... As long as there is somebody foolish enough to donate the money.
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« Reply #316 on: November 15, 2012, 02:03:08 PM »
Yep-quite the racket, 'super' PACs.  And to think there are millions who want Rove and his ilk back in controll  :roll:   Me thinks they have too much power already.

No one has done more to expose Super Pacs real purpose than comedian Stephen Colbert and his Lawyer (a former Bush adviser whose name escapes me).
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« Reply #317 on: November 15, 2012, 03:12:49 PM »
That would be Trevor Potter. I enjoy Colbert's "Ham Rove" bit that is quite accurate in my opinion.
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« Reply #318 on: November 15, 2012, 03:52:48 PM »
I LOVE the clip of Stewart and Colbert collaborating with their lawyer on the line, regarding their super PAC. Hilarious and horrifyingly enlightening as to the ins and outs of super PACs (regardless of who they target).
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« Reply #319 on: November 15, 2012, 05:07:57 PM »
Trevor Potter, that's it.

Nothing  has quite the accuracy of truth based comedy.  George Carlin knew that.  Man is he  ever missed.

Jon Stewert (voted "Most trusted man in America" for several years) and Stephan Colbert, who the Right still hasn't quite figured out yet.  Bless them both.

My only complaint is that they're not on every day.  Talk about a "news" Jones  ;)
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