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Re: VP Pick
« Reply #160 on: September 11, 2012, 06:32:33 PM »
And when I see folks like Chris Matthews on pmsnbc frothing at the mouth and foaming and fuming that calling Obama the food stamp president and any attempt at welfare reform is an attack on colored people it really ticks me off. There is enough fraud and waste in the system that you can not keep reform of it off of the table.
But in that episode,Newt made Mathews look like a fool with facts over feelings. MSNBC will be the creator of it's own demise with hosts like Matthews.
And ,Obama has put more people on food stamps than anyone. He earned the food stamp President badge,he should own up to it.


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« Reply #161 on: September 11, 2012, 07:15:37 PM »
i don't know.  a lot of my tree hugging white friends are voting for him.  what the heck are you doing watching MSNBC?  are they still on???   :-D
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« Reply #162 on: September 11, 2012, 08:45:58 PM »
... You are over looking [at] exactly what you want in exchange for a possible win... [Gary Johnson]

In early 2010 Nevada's Democrat Senator Harry Reid was trailing badly in the polls.  He was likely down by 25 points or more.  When asked if he was concerned with his chances to pull victory out of the gaping jaws of defeat Reid laughling answered, "No the Tea Party guarantees my reelection."  The Tea Party got behind Sharron Angle and nominated her to run against Senator Harry Reid, the rest is history. So it is with former Governor Gary Johnson.

You know the rest of that story? Reid's PACs paid for all the Pro Sharron Angle ads that put her at the top of the pack.
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« Reply #163 on: September 11, 2012, 09:05:49 PM »
Obama has put more people on food stamps than anyone. He earned the food stamp President badge,he should own up to it.

For starters Foodstamps haven't existed in about 15-20 years. SNAP is a benefit program which has certain criteria for people to meet eligibility. naturally in a time of economic down turn more people meet eligibility. But at any rate, Factcheck debunked Newt's claim that Obama put more people on "Foodstamps" than any other president, back when he made the claim.. Snap is funded under the Farm bill but distributed by the states. The president does not directly decide to put more people on it or not.  
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« Reply #164 on: September 11, 2012, 09:54:44 PM »
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The Tea Party got behind Sharron Angle and nominated her to run against Senator Harry Reid, the rest is history.

Harry Reid wasn't worried because he knew how to get the corrupt union machine in gear. Between the Las Vegas mob and the corrupt union bosses, he is guaranteed re-election...lights out, threats to workers, etc.
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« Reply #165 on: September 11, 2012, 11:06:45 PM »
Gee, have any beeks been paying attention to the stock market under President Obama?

“The Dow industrials closed at the highest level in nearly five years on Tuesday”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-drops-fed-tech-000217666.html

The Dow is up an impressive 38% since Obama took over.  Guess what, that means some people are much better off today than 4 years ago.  Ironically they’re probably Republicans! 

Forbes headline:  Stock Market Suggests Victory for Obama.

Despite the whining from the Republicans’, the bottom line is; if the power brokers are making money, they’re going to keep Obama in power.  That’s right fellow beeks, 4 MORE YEARS!
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« Reply #166 on: September 11, 2012, 11:12:50 PM »
As far as calling the food stamp another name,it is still the same program. If the Dept of Agriculture gives the money to the states to distribute,it is still a federal program.
To use one of the liberal medias favorite quotes a short time ago:
Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig.
Factcheck has no liberal leanings or bias do they? Heck,even snopes has been proven biased with the facts at times.


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« Reply #167 on: September 11, 2012, 11:18:35 PM »
Putting money on a debit card instead of the old stamps really changes a lot. I see abuse of the Wic program by people who do not need it every time I go to the market. And I know of second and third generations taking advantage of and abusing these programs.
I know of people who  will give away their freebies because they got it for nothing but don't care for the stuff. And it gets my blood boiling every time I see it.
I spoke up about it to a couple people I happened to know that did this and you would have thought I was stealing their first born child.
I'm glad some people live in the Socialist Utopia where this is happening and it's okay,but I think the payers have had about enough.

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« Reply #168 on: September 11, 2012, 11:27:13 PM »
Perhaps the Republican obstruction of the Democrats is really helping the market after all.Too bad there is not enough conservative Republicans.
Now how Government Motors stock we  the people need to sell off at 53 dollars per share just to break even on the gift we gave them?
This stock hit the market at 35 dollars in November 2010. So much for the government picking the winners with my money.
22.97 today.
Solyndra,528 million down the drain. Now the 300 million dollar building may be sold for 95 million and the taxpayer will be last in the line of creditors to get paid with the structure of the bankruptcy.
I would not allow these clowns to invest any more of ny money.
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« Reply #169 on: September 12, 2012, 01:27:34 AM »
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Despite the whining from the Republicans’, the bottom line is; if the power brokers are making money, they’re going to keep Obama in power.  That’s right fellow beeks, 4 MORE YEARS!


yeah.....no

but hey, if it makes you happy to believe that, go for it.  we all need a fantasy life. ;)
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #170 on: September 12, 2012, 10:28:51 AM »
Buzz

Your rants make a lot of interesting points, but there is absolutely no evidence that Romney will change any of that. He most recently spelled out a 10 year plan to fix the economy and that "easing Monetary policy isn't going to make a significant difference in the job market".So you can kiss any idea of fiscal conservatism good bye under a Romney Admin.

The "foodstamp" Numbers are released every January. As of last January Obama had not put more people on foodstamps than any other President... If you don't like factcheck you can search the numbers yourself. That statement may be true by this coming January, but it was at least a year premature.   

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« Reply #171 on: September 12, 2012, 11:22:24 AM »
http://www.trivisonno.com/food-stamps-charts

this has a lot of charts.  take the site or leave it, but from a quick look at the numbers, the charts seem accurate. 
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #172 on: September 12, 2012, 12:34:15 PM »
A couple of interesting notes at the bottom of that blog:

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Note: The numbers for Presidents Bush (43) and Obama are higher than they otherwise would have been because the government started to use food stamps for disaster relief starting in 2005 for Hurricane Katrina. See this PDF document for those numbers.

The March 2012 numbers are slightly elevated due to disaster relief for windstorms that occurred in February and March 2012. However, the USDA did not give exact numbers, possibly because “congregate feeding” methods were used.
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« Reply #173 on: September 12, 2012, 01:06:57 PM »
that's true.  was witness to this evolution.  this is done through the state agencies.  it should also be noted that the federal government has been supporting TV and internet ads for food stamps. 
.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #174 on: September 13, 2012, 10:24:33 AM »
The ads were run because a high percent of people who qualify were not taking advantage of the program. Nothing wrong with that really. The Government does the same thing across the board. National park visits drop off they run ads promoting the Park System. Oil spill in the gulf they run ads promoting safe seafood from the gulf. Every unused Snap benefit is $105.00 not going to a local business somewhere in the country every month. And when compiled those are jobs not being filled by that business. 
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« Reply #175 on: September 13, 2012, 11:26:15 AM »

Bluegrass, where did you get your copy of the bill's PDF? Where do you get "... HR 3590 [and] is exactly 899 pages long"? My copy came from house.gov.

The Library of Congress:
All Bills Get called a Bill, and assigned a HR # even if not passed and signed by the President ;) The bill you cited is the House of Representative's Draft.... The bill signed into law is HR 3590 and is 899 pages long.

HR 3962 was abandoned in 2009

I stand corrected, Bluegrass; you are quite correct about HR 3590 being the law. My mistake: I sure did think that HR 3962 actually was the primary text of the law and appreciate the correction. HR 3962 is what I read back when the bill was being jammed down out throats.

Apparently it is Public Law # 111-148:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3590:

Then you click the Text of Legislation link to get to the 7 versions the bill went through. Click #7's PDF link and you get the document. It is 906 pages long.

The "Bill Text Versions" page is an eye-opener. The bill started out as Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 and morphed into the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Part of the legislative games the D's used to get this sucker passed. Very interesting how HR 3590 was orignally an IRS law and now the law is hiring 16,500 IRS agents to enforce this behemoth. Coincidence? So instead of just spending tons of overhead money on insurance company clerks, we know get to fund an ADDITIONAL 16,500 IRS clerks to check up on us:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/story/2012-07-09/IRS-to-tackle-health-care-and-taxes/56108848/1

And the D's have the nerve to call this thing the AFFORDABLE health care act! Just more Fed jobs, really. Which will require a whole new set of laws, rules, regulations, and bureacracy just for that part of the bill's implementation.

And, of course, this document is the legal tip of the iceburg we are all being hit by. Want to have some real fun? Go back to the HR 3590 page (link above) and click on the Amendments link. No fewer than 150 ammendments are already in the pipeline for this already complex bill. Now click on the first link "S.AMDT.2786" then on the "text of amendment as submitted". Page after page of changes. The tip of the iceburg, I tell ya. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS."

Now I wish it were 2,000 pages long.
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« Reply #176 on: September 13, 2012, 11:38:25 AM »
The problem with the Republican's right now is that they lost their identity in the Bush Era. The issues that used to help get them elected don't work anymore.

Are we forgetting about the last mid-terms?
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« Reply #177 on: September 13, 2012, 11:51:11 AM »
The ads were run because a high percent of people who qualify were not taking advantage of the program. Nothing wrong with that really. The Government does the same thing across the board. National park visits drop off they run ads promoting the Park System. Oil spill in the gulf they run ads promoting safe seafood from the gulf. Every unused Snap benefit is $105.00 not going to a local business somewhere in the country every month. And when compiled those are jobs not being filled by that business. 

I just don't understand that logic. I think of it as every unused Snap benefit is $105.00 saved by the taxpayers, and money the taxpayer can choose how they want to spend with their local business. Seems like spending less of the taxpayers money, especially given the deficit and the lack of a budget, would be a good thing. What were the ads: "Hey You! Want Some Free Money? Call 1-800-THE-FEDS NOW!"
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« Reply #178 on: September 13, 2012, 12:22:02 PM »
Gee, have any beeks been paying attention to the stock market under President Obama?

“The Dow industrials closed at the highest level in nearly five years on Tuesday”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-drops-fed-tech-000217666.html

The Dow is up an impressive 38% since Obama took over.  Guess what, that means some people are much better off today than 4 years ago.  Ironically they’re probably Republicans! 

Forbes headline:  Stock Market Suggests Victory for Obama.

Despite the whining from the Republicans’, the bottom line is; if the power brokers are making money, they’re going to keep Obama in power.  That’s right fellow beeks, 4 MORE YEARS!
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You don't recon the feds printing two rounds of money and buying 60% of our own bonds had anything to do with the markets going up do you?

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« Reply #179 on: September 13, 2012, 12:40:45 PM »
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You don't recon the feds printing two rounds of money and buying 60% of our own bonds had anything to do with the markets going up do you?

anyone who looks at the stock market and thinks it's an indicator of the health of the economy is better off keeping money under the mattress.   :evil:
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