Need Bees Removed?
International
Beekeeping Forums
September 21, 2014, 08:56:13 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Beemaster's official FACEBOOK page
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar bee removal Login Register Chat  

Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Why is it?  (Read 912 times)
David McLeod
Field Bee
***
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 701


Location: Hampton

Georgia's Full Service Wildlife Solution


WWW
« on: August 03, 2012, 03:41:09 PM »

Ever see so much crap that you slow down ask yourself why is it? Do you find the answer so impolite that you just shrug your shoulders and move on? Well I'm in a particularly foul mood this PM so I'll loose my impolite tongue or fingers as the case may be.

Why is it so many new beeks are saddled or saddle themselves with a top bar hive? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Now before this goes off on a top bar bash tangent let me say that a well built and managed top bar hive is IMO either an excellent project for the skilled beek of all levels or probably the very best for the small hobbiest on a budget and without the wherewithal to sink time money and equipment into the hobby, provided that said hobbiest has the prerequisite knowledge.
Now here's the why? Why would you saddle yourself with a management program that almost implicitly requires one to understand intimately how a colony of honeybees constructs and uses a set of combs.
Now just how is one to possess that knowledge without first observed first hand in the controlled setting of either a langstroth or better yet the natural cavity.

The very same to a lesser degree can be said of foundationless frames.
Logged

Georgia Wildlife Services,Inc
Georgia's Full Service Wildlife Solution
Atlanta (678) 572-8269 Macon (478) 227-4497
www.atlantawildliferemoval.net
georgiawildlifeservices@gmail.com
AllenF
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 8136

Location: Hiram, Georgia


« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 05:03:29 PM »

I find that the top bar is sold as a more eco or natural hive by some.  Or it is sold as a cheaper to build, less money hive to run.   
Logged
iddee
Galactic Bee
******
Online Online

Gender: Male
Posts: 6056

Location: Randleman, NC


« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 06:03:38 PM »

Sorry, David, but Beemaster would ban me if I told you how much I agree with you, and why. Add that to destroying queen cells and I could really go off on a tangent.
Logged

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*
FRAMEshift
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1681


Location: North Carolina


« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 06:53:24 PM »

Yes, I agree with you.  People often confuse our long hives with top bar hives.  So I just say, Yes it has top bars.  It also has a bottom bar and sides.   It's called a frame and it's the greatest invention in the history of beekeeping.  Why would you not want to use it.
Logged

"You never can tell with bees."  --  Winnie-the-Pooh
VolunteerK9
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1647

Location: Southeast Tennessee

Gamecock fan in UT land.


« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 09:47:20 PM »

I guess to each their own, but I would have to agree with you. Maybe after runnning Langs for a while and a person wanted one to see how it goes-but I wouldn't recommend them for a beginner. Warres' fall into the same category.
Logged
blanc
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 345

Location: Reserve,Louisiana


« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 10:46:39 PM »

Hey David,
Being a first year beek I researched and got started with a TBH that I built myself and quickly built some langstroth hives beings I think they are better manageable. I do have to say tho that my TBH is my strongest hive which I started with a small swarm and they built up like mad. I plan on using it for nuc splits providing they survive the winter. It is a 4 ft long box and it is 80 percent chock full of those girls! The only thing I have done with them is add in an empty bar here and there to keep them from swarming.
Logged

Psalm 19:9-10
The fear of the Lord is clean,enduring forever; the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, yea ,than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
rbinhood
House Bee
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 278

Location: East Central Alabama


« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2012, 10:08:11 PM »

Sorry, David, but Beemaster would ban me if I told you how much I agree with you, and why. Add that to destroying queen cells and I could really go off on a tangent.

Dido......you add all of the extra time involved manageing one tbh, the same amount of time could be used to manage 4 or 5 Lang's.
Logged

Only God can make these two things.....Blood and Honey!
Joe D
Super Bee
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1992

Location: Ovett, Ms


« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 12:31:52 AM »

Well I guess I would agree also.  But I had been on SS for 10 yrs when I decided to try to become a beek.  In checking things out it looked like TBH were cheaper by a good bit,so I built 1.  Then a cousin gave me 2 deep boxes, I built 2 med supers for them.  Another guy from the bee club that I had joined before I built the TBH gave me some used frames.  Not wanting to catch anything that his bees might have, I cleaned these frames to bare frames.  Now on rethinking that I should have used them with the comb, would be lots ahead.  If you don't know all this when you start then may mess up.   You could say I am just a glutton for punishment.  I now have 1 TBH and 5 langs(with a good many foundationless frames) brood and supers.  You can learn from it and this and other web sites and hope not make too many mistakes.  I bought 3 established hives from an estate, the boxes were in bad shape, there were SHBs, and I couldn't get them until the middle of Dec because the place was in probate.  Didn't tell me that when they sold them, but when I went to pick them up.  Got them and in the spring they swarmed, now I have the 6 hives.
But with all this rebuilding etc. we are doing pretty good now and I have collected appr. 17 gals of honey this spring and summer.  Oh replaced all the brood boxes and went from 1 deep when bought to 2 deep now.  Besides learning beeking you also learn wood working.  It's an adventure.  I bought a used extractor  for next year.  So for except for my time, I only have appr. $1200 invested including extractor.



Joe
Logged
BlueBee
Galactic Bee
******
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 4215

Location: Mid Michigan


« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 03:20:02 AM »

+1 for holding off on a top bar until you get some experience under your belt with a lang (or long hive like Frameshift).  Why make life any more complicated than necessary.  

Wow!  We have a lot of beeks in agreement for a change!  This is a good sign Smiley
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Beemaster's Beekeeping Ring
Previous | Home | Join | Random | Next
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines | Sitemap Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.214 seconds with 22 queries.

Google visited last this page September 19, 2014, 04:53:54 AM