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« on: July 30, 2012, 02:23:20 PM » |
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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kathyp
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 03:02:14 PM » |
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yup. he pretty much laid it out there.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 06:28:12 PM » |
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I was browsing the zoning ordinances for where I live the other day. They’re 430 pages long. Do I need to worry about all 430 pages? No, most of the document is there to deal with the 10% of the population that are general trouble markers and will do anything they can to abuse the system unless every little detail is codified. Hence the need for big legal documents.
Any beeks ever do their own taxes? Do you read all 10,000 pages (don’t know the actual count these days) of the IRS rules, or is there just a subset of the rules that apply to you?
Ever look at the technical owners manual for your car? 1000s of pages long; how to rebuild your engine, trans, trouble shooting OBD 2 codes, etc. Modern life is complicated and if you want to cover all the bases for everybody, documents get big.
What happened the last time the Republicans try to simplify lending rules? A dog probably could have gotten a 30 year mortgage during the Bush years. Did that lack of rules end up being good for the economy? Did the 10%ers abuse the system? Did the tax payers have to bail out the banks?
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hardwood
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 07:27:24 PM » |
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Blue, you're missing the point I think. This is not about dem vs. rep or how many pages there are to certain regulations but to the fact that there are so many regs to begin with. I've been a small business owner for 30 yrs (two different companies) and have seen how things have changed over the years. It is way more hassel and expensive to start/run a business now than it was!
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 07:32:23 PM » |
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kathyp
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 08:18:42 PM » |
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A dog probably could have gotten a 30 year mortgage during the Bush years. thanks to the democrat congress under carter and again under clinton. Did that lack of rules end up being good for the economy? wasn't lack of rules. it was rules imposed by congress on banks in the name of ....wait for it.....FAIRNESS!! |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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kathyp
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 08:20:09 PM » |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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BlueBee
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 09:04:43 PM » |
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From Kathyp’s link: ‘ her intention to sell handspun yarns, birdhouses, soaps and other handicrafts in addition to fresh vegetables, eggs, herbs and honey.’ Ah ha! This is probably the real problem, that farmer is a bee keeper! We know they’re trouble makers! Just kidding folks  We have a similar situation in Michigan where local zoning laws are technically overridden by State mandated right to farm laws. I haven’t heard of a similar situation here, but it could happen. Unfortunately every so often we have a local elected “official” that goes on a power trip and makes everybody’s life miserable instead of the 10% that deserve it. I’m sure not in favor of excessive regulation. And yes, the Senator did give a good speech. |
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kathyp
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 09:52:25 PM » |
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‘her intention to sell handspun yarns, birdhouses, soaps and other handicrafts in addition to fresh vegetables, eggs, herbs and honey.’ this was answered in the article. |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2012, 10:08:32 PM » |
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We got troubles...
right here in Erie City
That rymes with B
That stands for bees
And that means bugs.
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