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« on: July 14, 2012, 08:04:46 PM »

I'll leave it up to you folks who do this so well, but I heard on the news that Obama has changed Welfare so that no one receiving it needs to seek work again. Thus, (in theory) 1) making jobs more available for those who don't wish to milk the system and 2) make Welfare yet again a very lucrative venture for generations of abusers.

I guess if you cannot create jobs, than in theory making more jobs available dues to no competitions from the Welfare ranks is a new low for this president.

He will do whatever seems necessary to inflate the belief that job creation is possible under his hair-brained lack of leadership.

I heard Michael Savage suggest something: The Feds should give every man, woman and child $100,000 cash with only one clause - they must spend it on American Made Products to boost the economy. Given the amount we are already in debt, what's another 3 trillion?! And at least the money stays "home".

So, who can better detail Obama's deregulation of Welfare Requirements and how THIS will further make us into a third world nation lead by the great pseudo Socialist.



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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 08:50:49 PM »

Curious why you say pseudosocialist?  He was raised and influenced to present by committes communists and Marxists.  The Grandparents who raised him published a communist paper.  He taught Saul Alinskies methodology.  He has pretty well done what he set out to do.  Like all marxists, when the law is in the way, you break it!  The law specified that people had to look for work to collect welfare.  He just ignores this with this dictum.  He is not an incompetent messing up our nation.  He is doing exactly what he set out to do. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 11:53:32 PM »

if you ever work in a battered womens shelter you'll hear over and over about how the woman couldn't leave....her husband didn't let her drive, have any money to spend, or gain any work skills.  all this is done in the name of love.  "you don't need to drive,  i'll shop".  "you don't need money, i'll give you what you need".  "you don't need to work, i'll provide for you". 

even if the woman is never beaten, she is so dependent on her S.O. that she eventually has no idea how she could make it on her own.  fear keeps he with him because he has provided for so long she knows she will fail on her own.

+ a lot of people are just darn lazy!   grin
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 08:19:38 AM »

The unemployment rate goes down when there are less people looking for work.  Makes Barry look good in November. 

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 08:45:20 AM »

Allen's got it. He's trying to cook the books on unemployment the stats.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 09:57:35 AM »

the books are always cooked on unemployment.  same as they are cooked on inflation.  ate the cow we had in the freezer.  had to get some hamburger at the store.  nearly dropped dead at the price!!

i'm not quite ready to make my election predictions this year...but Obama getting/taking a second term does not seem out of the realm of reality.  there are some really bad thing happening right now and i can see any number of them leading to the place where people can be convinced that they can't switch horses.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 10:20:25 AM »

Kathy, I read it as an act of desperation on Obama's part.

A) get as many of the unemployed off the rolls as possible
B) make the dependant welfare class happier that they don't have to be bothered with actually having to look for employment and more likely to vote for Obama

It is a sick situation when our president (small p on purpose) is actively doing the things that are harmful to the Republic and Constitution he took an oath to defend. IMO, it is far beyond the differences between D and R but we are dealing with pure evil intent on the part of the progressives currently in power. The sad thing is that the R's either refuse to acknowledge this or are complicit in the culture of corruption that have gotten us to this point.
Case in point, the R that has been selected for the nomination to run has dirty hands as well and has to refused to take up the cry for a return to a Constitutional Republic.

I hate to be a cynic but the best outcome I can see is that Obama does not get a second term. Other than that I do not see any of the changes we really need to save the Republic. I hope I'm wrong and Romney is the answer but after BushI and BushII I just don't see it. Both were good men and as human beings I voted for and liked them but as a constitutionalist they were nothing more or less than the status quo of ignoring the slow and steady erosion of human rights our founders so ably predicted.

I fear that we may never see the gutting of federal power and a return to true citizen governance.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 10:59:55 AM »

on most of your post, i agree.  i am less worried about Romney than many.  i'm not a spun about Romney as some, even though he would not have been my choice.  i see many parallels between the attitudes in this election, and those of the carter-reagan election.  even though i agree with you that we need a return to constitutional principles, we also need a return to love of country.  many things fix themselves when people are experiencing a positive attitude.

reagan was not a conservative in the way that i am, but he brought back the feeling of the "shining city" that carter had destroyed.  i think that no repairs can be undertaken until we believe in this country as we used to.  i don't see that we will ever get completely back to first principles, but we have no chance until we adjust our (collective) attitude.

i have "friends" on facebook, and some of them are here also, who are still tilting at the RP windmill.  it is unfortunate.  we have what we have, and it is a choice between more obama and the hope that romney can at least start us on the road to repair.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2012, 11:30:02 AM »

Kathy, you are so spot on that we need a major attitude adjustment. I am so guilty of it as well becoming so pessimistic about our future, how can you you not be discouraged with the state of things now.
I agree we need to return to a spirit of optimism and the firm belief that in America all things are possible. I still believe, make that know, that the American experiment is the greatest hope for mankind on the planet.
Where do we find reason for hope though? It certainly isn't RP, while he is right on many points of limited governance and a return to principles some of his proposed methods would be a suicide pact. IMO, the movement to restore sanity has to begin at the local level. First we need to clean our own local houses, gut the city and county administrations of incompetence and malfeasance and insist on immediate accountibility to the citizens. Then move it up a level to the state houses and insist that our governors declare to the federal authorities that from this point forward they can go fornicate themselves if they think they can rob the people of their liberty.
Without borrowing the taint of racial politics, so much in the past was just plain wrong and evil, we need to take a long hard look at the reasons the war between the states occurred and the resulting aftermath of dixiecrats and George Wallace. Not that I would ever espouse the evils of Jim Crow but that the interference of the sovreign rights of a free people within the borders of their respective states resulted in the overbearing power of the federal entity. This erosion began a long time ago and it is only the end result of a long train of abuses.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2012, 11:54:00 AM »

I think Reagan went in as a Conservative,but came to the realization that with a Democrat Congress that had been in control for over 25 years that he had to compromise some with Tip O'Neill and the likes.If he would have had the super majority that Obama had his first two years,I can only think things would have been much different than they are today. perhaps the powers assumed by this monstrosity of a Federal government would have been rightfully palced back with the states and the people. And perhaps the government would still be operating under the consent of the governed.
Note in his speech there is not a class warfare blame game.:
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There is so much in his speech that apllies today and we need  somene to step up and lead!

Obama is fast tracking having the voting block dependent on others rather than depend on themselves.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2012, 01:50:44 PM »

the states are to blame here also.  they sucked up the federal dollars without a thought.  obamacare will make it worse if it stands.  states will need even more federal dollars and be more dependent on the feds.

there is no good outcome here without flipping the senate, keeping the house, and getting a more conservative president in.  THEN, we must hold them accountable and stop expecting the feds to "fix" things.  that means that when we have disasters, we suck it up.  when we have state issues, we solve them in the state.  people won't like the reality of going back to the way things should be....but without a massive change, we are done.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2012, 01:56:00 PM »

the states are to blame here also.  they sucked up the federal dollars without a thought.  obamacare will make it worse if it stands.  states will need even more federal dollars and be more dependent on the feds.

there is no good outcome here without flipping the senate, keeping the house, and getting a more conservative president in.  THEN, we must hold them accountable and stop expecting the feds to "fix" things.  that means that when we have disasters, we suck it up.  when we have state issues, we solve them in the state.  people won't like the reality of going back to the way things should be....but without a massive change, we are done.


AMEN!

I hate to say it but a few diasasters and some serious social darwinism or a healthy dose of chlorine in the gene pool may be what it takes. I hope not but something's got to give to get the average american off his/her ass/back and back on their feet.
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AMEN!

I hate to say it but a few diasasters and some serious social darwinism or a healthy dose of chlorine in the gene pool may be what it takes. I hope not but something's got to give to get the average american off his/her ass/back and back on their feet.

Don't hold back.....tell us how you really feel! lol  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2012, 04:39:10 PM »

i just got back from the CO fires.  it was amazing to see how the community came together and took care of folks who had lost everything.  there is enough of that left in the country that ending federal hand outs will not leave people starving.  + it's harder to take a  hand out when you are taking it from your own neighbors.  i think it makes you work harder to care for yourself. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2012, 07:51:49 PM »

Kathy, I experienced just that first hand back in 98. The Oak Grove storm (F5 tornado) of 98 ripped through my home community and killed 34 plus destroyed hundreds of homes in Alabama (basically the same area that got hit two years ago). My childhood home was destroyed and my parents had to rebuild and I proud to say that between the family and church they were able to not only do so but to build back even better without a single handout. The largest portion of the community was able to do so as well and when the storms of two years ago hit guess who were some of the first to step forward to help.
You don't hear of that in the news today but there is still self reliance out there.
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2012, 10:16:17 PM »

This is the whole thing. This stuff should be handled by the individual states. They should never have handed the authority over to the Fed.The Fed is only supposed to have the powers granted by the people and the states.The mandates come from the bottom up,not from the Fed down.
But I bet they do not teach that in school. the Constitution was written to limit the powers of the Federal government so this  crap would not happen.
Didn't we have a revolution to rid ourselves of a tyrant/monarch? Seems people forget history,so it may be repeating itself.
Obama is doubling down on what FDR did,but at least the people were expected to do something for the money back then.
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the books are always cooked on unemployment.  same as they are cooked on inflation.  ate the cow we had in the freezer.  had to get some hamburger at the store.  nearly dropped dead at the price!!
Ground Beef from Round = $2.99/lbs.  You nearly dropped dead over that?  We are not cooked on inflation.  Would Big Ben be contemplating QE3 if we had inflation? 

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Obama getting/taking a second term does not seem out of the realm of reality.
Some of us still remember Bush! 

As for the state of the economy; it’s called the business cycle.  It just doesn’t go from bust to boom overnight, no matter who is sitting in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.  How long did it take for the economy to turn around under Reagan?

I agree with Buzzbee that the Feds should have less power and the States more.  The problem is neither the Republicans or the Dems really want that to happen.  They all want to spend spend spend.  Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr were spendaholics. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2012, 07:05:10 AM »

The reason there appears to be low inflation is because of a still deflating economy.If there was demand for the dollars,other than food stamps,unemployment,welfare and the federal agencies,you know the market borrowing and increasing the employment numbers,it would be off and running.
 I know my buying power has decreased. Even though wages are remaining stagnant due to the economy,the government at all levels really does not mind asking me for more.
  My grocery and utility bills have increased ,but I guess that is not inflationary.Almost every thing I write a check for has gone up. But that may not be the "official " sign of inflation.
  This is the first era in my lifetime where my  income has had less buying power over a couple years.
Perhaps if your dollars are buying more my money is subsidizing yours  along the way? Is mid Michigan benefiting from bailouts somewhere?
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you have a lot of faith in his decision making?  perhaps because he's done such a good job so far?

don't know where you paid 2.99 for ground beef.  must have been the high fat stuff.  i just paid almost 4 for the good stuff.
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BTW.... Milk is still $2.50 a gallon here if anybody is counting  Wink
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