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« on: June 16, 2012, 02:05:31 AM »

I swear I don't care what others do, I have enough issues of my own to juggle. But I have sat through 5 Command Call (Air Force Terminology - use to be All-Hands Meeting under the Navy) but 5 lengthy meetings about abolishing Don't ask Don't Tell and all I know is that if under fire, I don't care what preference someone has, I'd only care if he/she could shoot a gun along side me.

But I get confused QUICKLY when I hear the word PRIDE used when it comes to sexual preference. I have never once thought or stated that I am proud to be heterosexual. Nor do I know anyone else who is straight using the word pride on this issue.

I can see you take pride in raising wonderful kids, having saved enough to have a good home and managed to save so that you don't need to find a job AFTER you retire. You can be proud of so much in your life, but if your sexual preference is NOT a choice, if you are born that way (as I tend to believe) I don't think anyone willingly chooses their sexuality, no matter how they get their freak on - so how does PRIDE even come into play.

I will agree that saying "I'm not ashamed" of something makes a great deal more sense.

But this administration couldn't leave it alone, now we will have the Pentagon's Gay Pride Day? Give him 4 more years and it will be a national holiday. And don't say he can't do that, or that it needs congressional or referendum approval - he obviously does what he wants, I think Friday he locked in the Hispanic Vote (as if he didn't have it to begin with) by setting his new illegal immigration policy.

It doesn't matter if anything is voted on or voted down, it's a win win for him just stating this crap.

I believe I heard he has had more campaign fund raisers than all previous presidents combined - surely more than all the living presidents combined. I'd love to see the bill for Secret Service alone to set up and defend all these rallies from threats. More over, I'd love to see the cost to the public for the disruption of their daily lives. Obama just yesterday came to Ground Zero again, halting all traffic from New Jersey into the city. Surely local and state police are not re-reimbursed for the man-hours caused to keeping his motorcade moving from place to place.

When I hear polls like "27 continuous months of job creation and economic growth - I want to barf. I want to hear the REAL unemployment numbers, not the BS 7+% we hear, but the likely 20% that reflects all the people no longer counted in statistics because they exceeded their unemployment benefits and/or gave up looking for work because there isn't any.

If Mitt Romney stand a chance, he needs to lay it all on the line and show us exactly how bad it is, both economically and socially.

I'm so tired also of seeing Michelle Obama on every TV show from Kitchen Impossible to Sesame Street to clips on Jeopardy. They network her better than any first lady I have ever seen. And it is VERY subliminal, seems harmless, even seems righteous - sure, most kids are fat and obese. The perfect band-wagon to jump on and let everyone know how proper nutrition along with Obama Care will make everyone not only healthier, but less of a financial burden or everyone. She's a walking, talking sandwich board for his re-election.

I agree with the one election booth cartoon I saw:

[  ] Obama
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2012, 09:36:08 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 09:51:17 AM »

DADT worked.  everyone knew the policy.  if you were gay and didn't like the policy, it was a good idea not to join.  this was pandering to the Hollywood bunch and nothing else. 

i was on active duty when they started putting women out on ships.  first non-combat ships, then all of them.  guess what??  it's been something of a disaster BUT you'll never hear of a congressional hearing on the issue.  it was purely political.

lucky for you guys i don't have time for a rant this AM  grin   Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2012, 10:32:03 AM »

Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.

Our CIC maybe gay? He birthed this baby IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 10:33:34 AM »

Oh BTW, just for the record, I am proud to be a heterosexual man.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2012, 10:39:17 AM »

Gay Pride Day, WOW!  Thanks Obama!  I gave up before Obama but he takes the cake.

I thought we could not possibly bet worse then Bush Jr.  Them were the good ol days I guess!
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2012, 01:36:24 PM »

Can't wait 'til Kathy finds time  shocked

Call me bigoted, but I just can't handle flamboyant people - gay or straight. Today, gays are running out of the closet like it's a clown car on fire. Kids who claim to be gay have support groups as young as middle-school, and I think gay tolerance is almost an elective class in some cities. It surely is a mandatory course every year for me as a Air Force Employee.

One friend's brother and his (legal husband) are body-builders, moderately wealthy and raising two children who are in their teens now and I hear both kids are straight. That's right, two daddies and no agenda to push a life style on the kids. I really don't think any parent wants their kids to be gay, it can be a tough road to travel and no one knows that better than a gay couple. I believe that they are an example of how a gay marriage can work, and although (despite what my father's generation might think) neither was a "mom" they bother were parents and have more conservative ideals than most people would think.

I don't think we have many Leave it to Beaver families any more. I think the 70s prime time TV line up started chiseling away that. and the more TV accepted and promoted equality, the more the nation bought it as a viable alternative lifestyle.

Not just blaming TV, although we have generations of people that spent hours a day looking into the liberal teleprompter which we call the TV and now with high-def, their isn't a detail that is missed. A great example is JC Penney's new 2 daddy commercial for Father's day - and what worries me about such a commercial is a few things: who really is the target of this campaign ad, gays, liberals, middle of the roaders who may wince a little, but say here we go again? Or are those who are offended by such thinks suppose to be pistol whipped until they give in on their own beliefs.

With Obama's "under 16 - 30 rules" on illegals and of course their families BECAUSE we don't want to break apart the family unit. So all you need to do is toss your kid over a 2ft chicken wire border fence and your whole family are Americans. Sweet gig I suppose.

I think the legacy of Obama is the Prophesy which the Mayans wrote. It isn't the world flopping on its polar axis but our collective thinking that is being raped by the far leftist and socialists and we in turn are becoming the out numbered, and getting washed out to sea in riptide.

The fact we never made English an official language is a shame, I don't think it will ever happen - but a few generations from now, it might be Spanish as the official "unofficial" language.

I wonder what the Mexican gay percentage is, I'm sure we'll know in the 2020 census because by then the millions here already the the millions coming will be counted if Obama keeps this crap up.

I always thought learning Spanish was the obvious way to go in school, but I have no doubt it will be mandatory very soon. We are losing our country as we know it. It is evolving before our very eyes and our own president embraces it and now he is a catalyst as well. We need to get to the polls and stop the madness.

Lady Liberty needs to fold her arms and close her legs before we're all taking siestas in our pink short shorts.

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2012, 09:18:59 PM »

one of the Hollywood producers was talking about gays on TV.  wish i'd bookmarked it, but i didn't.  He was pointing out that even though the % of gays in society was pretty small, they were being worked into more shows.  why?  because the more you put this in front of people, the more they will accept it as normal.

i'll try not to rant:

homosexual behavior is abnormal.  if you remove the emotion from the conversation and just look at the biology, this is a fact.  the purpose of sex is to procreate.  the fact that we enjoy it only furthers the goal of procreation.  that said, i don't think that people should be persecuted for their choice of bed mates.  what you do in your home is your business.  however, when society begins to normalize abnormal behavior, the foundations of that society are undermined.  
our society is built from the family up, so normalizing homosexuality and redefining family, undermine the very bedrock of our society.  

when the military began putting women on ships and in the field, they ticking an agenda item. it was not done to meet a need in the military.  it was done so some bra burners in congress would be happy.  unfortunately, those bra burners had never been on a ship or out in the field.  they failed to take into account that the age group they were shoving together in tight quarters, was at the peak of it's sexual desire, and without the emotional maturity to control sexual behavior.  

what followed and what has not been talked about, was a disaster.  pregnancy on ships.  pregnancy used as a way to get off ships.  discord in the ranks because at that age relationships come and go, but there is no where to go when you break up and are on a ship at sea.  sexual harassment became a constant problem because these little girls didn't know how to handle a mans world, but they did learn quickly how to manipulate that mans world. guys couldn't keep it zipped for 9 months, marriages wrecked, fights.  

understand that this is a generalization.  there are fine women out in the field.  i'd like to think i was one of them.  there are fine men out there working with them.  it just wasn't worth it to fulfill a liberal agenda on the backs of the military men and women who risk their lives every day.

FF to the gay agenda.  at least with the women on the ships/in the field you could have separate facilities.  now you have essentially added a 3rd gender and no accommodations for them. they are the same sexually charged age group.  additionally, they face a social bias that will see a whole new bunch of behavior rules spawned.  most of this will be to the detriment of the straight majority who will end up disciplined for saying or doing the wrong (non PC) thing and have their careers ruined.  

we often hear the word "bias" and our gut reaction is that it's a bad thing.  sometimes it's not.  even though some societies embrace their abnormals, most did not.  they were rejected from the clan, tribe, etc.  why?  because we are programed to procreate and if we overwhelm our biological pool with abnormals, we die.  today, we don't throw people out of the clan, but that is not a reason to accept as normal what is not.

DADT worked in the same way  that it worked for women to pretend to be men so they could fight in the civil war.  it forced them to moderate external behavior and conform  to the norm.  while sexual preference might have been known under DADT, it was never an issue as it was never on display.  now we will have a subset defined by their sexual preference and protected by a new set of standards.  as happened when we mixed women into the ranks, morale and unit cohesiveness will be damaged.  what is different is that there will be no separation, so the that the guys in the field will end up showering, and sleeping butts to nuts, with openly gay mates. the outcome can only be bad.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 11:34:07 AM »

In Obama's on words.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 02:46:05 PM »

don't i seem to recall bill clinton putting in place a policy some years ago that made it possible for gays to even join the military at all. wasn't it called something like, let me think,  oh yeah don't ask don't tell.
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 04:20:39 PM »

... i seem to recall bill clinton putting in place a policy... that made it possible for gays to ...join the military... wasn't it called ...don't ask don't tell...[?]

Yes it was called that but that policy made it difficult for gays to act in a flamboyant or over the top manner.  Sad
This new policy would seem to allow gays to flaunt Neon pink feather boas at the enemy from the safety of MY fox hole or fighting position.  I think overtly gay GIs need their own brigade, I vote that we name it the "Storming Bragade for Gay Frontal Assaults" Wink  embarassed.  I don't think we should make gays second class GIs by relegating them to menial tasks like baking cookies or brewing coffee for front line troops, do you? rolleyes
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 12:13:55 PM »

Well, I was going to chip in with a rant of my own, but KathyP seems to have it covered.

For starters, I do NOT believe that you're "born gay" or that it's genetic.  Mostly because that theory has been soundly destroyed by science already, a dirty little secret that the media and Hollywood really don't want you to know.  In studies of homosexuals among identical twins, if it was genetic, then in 100% of cases of identical twins, you would have both of the twins being gay.  Unfortunately (for the gay agenda) that is not the case, and the odds of one twin being gay when the other is not is the same as the odds of non-genetically-identical siblings having the same outcome.  Long story short, if you have identical genes, and one is gay and one is not, it's not genetic.  Period.  Full-stop.

This said, I've had numerous friends that were gay (one that was even flamboyantly so, but he was a riot).  I've even interviewed trans-gendered folks, and in 100% of the cases, there has always been some childhood trauma.  In many cases, it was molestation before the brain was ready to figure out what sex was.  In the case of the trans-gendered man (he was a man thinking he was a woman) he had a mother that paid a significant amount of time to his sisters, and none to him.  He became a "girl" at a very young age as a survival mechanism, to try and gain the attention of the mother.  In another case, the child had an abusive and alcoholic father.  However, he did also play the "father" role in providing for the family, etc.  Strangely in his case, it wasn't so much that his abusive father made him attracted to men in as much as his desire to be NOTHING LIKE his father even transcended sexual boundaries.  I've yet to find a single case where there wasn't a childhood trigger of some sort.

Now this isn't to say I don't believe genetic homosexuality is a possibility.  I mean, we know for a fact that people can have arms growing out of their backs, be born with both genders, or many other sorts of mutations.  It's not beyond the realm of possibility that IN VERY RARE CASES someone is born with the "wrong gender" but I think the odds here are closer to 1,000,000:1.  I firmly believe that the majority of homosexuality comes from prepubescent trauma, or in some cases (thank you Anne Heche) it's a flat-out, straight-up choice. 

Now all of this said, I simply don't CARE.  I don't care if you like to dress up in a gimp suit and have hookers pee on you, I don't care if you have a foot fetish, I don't care if you have a "real doll" named Daisy stuffed under your bed, and I don't care if you decide to bang people that are the same sex as you... I... Don't... Care.  No matter what your sexual perversion, or what your preferred deviation is, keep it where it belongs: in the bedroom with other consenting adult(s). 

Do NOT under ANY circumstances come into MY home and force feed MY children this BS about how it's "Normal."  It's not normal.  It's never BEEN normal.  Normal isn't even a word that you can use to describe it.  And my kids DON'T NEED TO KNOW about it anyway.  They'll get plenty of education on deviation in college and when they're old enough to drink so they can forget about it.  Quit trying to indoctrinate my children into your perverted society.  I'll teach my children the morals *I* believe in, and you teach your children yours.  It's really that simple.

We have this stupid bint here at work that wears men's clothes, acts like a guy at a bar (farts, belches, etc.) and carries an oddly shaped coffee cup that says, "I'm so Gay I can't think STRAIGHT".  I kid you not.  Now let some straight guy walk around with a coffee cup proclaiming how he likes to bang chicks and see how long his job lasts.  I'm just sick of the agenda, and CONSTANTLY having to hear about it.
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homosexual behavior is abnormal.  if you remove the emotion from the conversation and just look at the biology, this is a fact.  the purpose of sex is to procreate. 

By that logic, you must also admit that Down's syndrome is 'abnormal' - people were meant to have kids with one copy of chromosome 21, not one and one half or two copies. Should we go back to the way that people dealt with this abnormality in the good old days - keep retarded people out of sight (maybe put them all in institutions), take away any legal protections that try to ensure they have the same rights as everyone else?  I don't think so. The fact that they are different doesn't make them less human. The way we treat them might make us less human.

For starters, I do NOT believe that you're "born gay" or that it's genetic.  Mostly because that theory has been soundly destroyed by science already, a dirty little secret that the media and Hollywood really don't want you to know.  In studies of homosexuals among identical twins, if it was genetic, then in 100% of cases of identical twins, you would have both of the twins being gay. 

Your knowledge of science is limited to the point of being wrong.  The fact that identical twins are not 100% uniform in a trait (as you noted) only disproves single-gene genetic determinism. It does not rule out other genetic effects, or patterns that are deeply ingrained into a person's brain as it develops in the womb. There is evidence for both a moderate genetic effect that can increase the odds of being gay, and for a strong effect of the uterine environment on brain development - especially the levels of hormones that a fetus is exposed to. Up to a few years ago, people who were left handed were considered abnormal (even 'evil' - the word sinister is Latin for left). I know a person who had his left hand bound at a religious school, and he was administered beatings when he was observed using his left hand. Sensible if one follows an ignorant, superstitious view of the world and thinks they are helping someone, but tragic if one accepts the scientific evidence that people are born with a particular handedness and they are not inherently evil or inferior as human beings.

When I hit puberty, a switch was flipped and I was suddenly attracted to women. My heterosexual orientation really had nothing to do with any choice I made. One day, seeing women had no effect on (and in fact, was kinda cootified), the next, it was like wow!  It isn't about any choice I made, it is about how my brain developed, and then how it responded to testosterone when my development reached a certain stage. Gay people are no different. Left handed people are no different.


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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 12:43:49 AM »

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By that logic, you must also admit that Down's syndrome is 'abnormal'

it is abnormal.  what do we do with these abnormal syndromes?  we look for a cure.  we do not say "oh well, he was born that way and there's nothing to be done".  yes, he was born that way, but we do not accept it as  normal and do nothing.
i am not suggesting that we attempt a "cure" for homosexuality, but neither must we accept it as normal.

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Should we go back to the way that people dealt with this abnormality in the good old days - keep retarded people out of sight (maybe put them all in institutions), take away any legal protections that try to ensure they have the same rights as everyone else?  I don't think so. The fact that they are different doesn't make them less human. The way we treat them might make us less human.

please point out where i suggested any of that?

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... Should we go back to the way that people dealt with this abnormality in the good old days - keep retarded people out of sight...


No, but let me ask you if the world would be a better place if we did lock away people like James Holmes the Aurora, Colorado Batman killer?  Ok, excuse me... the alleged Aurora, Colorado Batman killer?   There was no shortage of warnings that he was a nut case.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/liberal-professors-admit-theyd-discriminate-against-conservatives
Read the whole article at the above link.  It’s an eye opener.
…“Now left-leaning academics confirm that they would discriminate against conservatives, according to a new study which will be published in the September edition of the journal of Perspectives on Psychological Science.

"In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many personality psychologists admit that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues," say psychologists Yoel Inbar and Joris Lammers, after their survey of a representative sample of academics and scholars in social psychology.

Researchers asked "whether in choosing between two equally qualified candidates for one job opening, they would be inclined to vote for the more liberal candidate over the conservative."

One respondent wrote in that if department members "could figure out who was conservative, they would be sure not to hire them," and at least a third of the respondents said they would discriminate against the conservative candidate.

The more liberal the respondent was the more willing they are to discriminate and ironically the higher their assumption that conservatives do not face a hostile climate in the academy.

The survey questions "were so blatant that I thought we'd get a much lower rate of agreement," Mr. Inbar said. "Usually you have to be pretty tricky to get people to say they'd discriminate against minorities."

The finding reflects only what respondents said they would do, no necessarily what they actually would do in real life, cautioned Mr. Inbar, who previously volunteered for the Obama campaign…..”

Oh boy.  An Obama Campaign Volunteer as well as a personality psychologist, why am I not surprised?  And the tail keeps wagging the dog, or else pushing Fido over a cliff.  Well at least Obama has forgone dog meat until after the election.  I guess that is a small consolation. 

Tell me again Mr. Inbar, how these self same liberal “Psychological Science Professionals” helped the 12 people murdered in Colorado by one of their darling nut cases, who by the way evidently got off by disguising his nut shell as a Jack-o‘-lantern?  How could they think a violent, acting out, Occupy Wall Street, suspected underground Black Blocker was a danger to society?  If he looks like a Tea Bagger to anyone, better get your blinking eyes checked.
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2012, 01:10:31 AM »

By that logic, you must also admit that Down's syndrome is 'abnormal' - people were meant to have kids with one copy of chromosome 21, not one and one half or two copies. Should we go back to the way that people dealt with this abnormality in the good old days - keep retarded people out of sight (maybe put them all in institutions), take away any legal protections that try to ensure they have the same rights as everyone else?  I don't think so. The fact that they are different doesn't make them less human.

Are you SERIOUS?!  You are arguing that people with down's are NORMAL.  Seriously.  You just said that.  You seriously just argued that retardation is to be considered "normal."  To be fair, the "norm" does seem to be that people are mentally handicapped today, but I sure as HELL would never want MY children to come to the conclusion that retardation is "normal." 

You seem to have utterly lost the concept of normalcy.  There's a reason that a DISEASE such as Down's Syndrome has a name.  As opposed to being called "every-day-normal-person-syndrome (EDNPS). 

 Should we treat people with Down's the same as "normal" people?  Hell NO.  I wouldn't want them driving my kids to school on a bus unless they've proven themselves capable.  How about measuring out your meds?  Police officers?  You NAME the profession.  If you want to call the abnormal "normal" then you're a flat-out moron.  Period.  That's just sick.


Your knowledge of science is limited to the point of being wrong. 

In that sense, your knowledge of... hell, everything?  is flat out wrong.  You don't seem to have even the most basic grasp of what is "normal."  Your basic concept of genetics, and the entire following flow that you spew is utterly incomprehensibly WRONG.  You obviously have no concept of science but then attempt to "school" us with your lack of actual scientific knowledge. Even your statement that "It does not rule out other genetic effects, or patterns that are deeply ingrained into a person's brain as it develops in the womb." shows a complete, total, and utter lack of understanding of genetic development, or the actual REAL WORLD studies that have been done.  Then to try and derail your lack of knowledge, you jump off on a tangent of what people used to do to south paws?  REALLY?  Holy hell, man.  That's the weakest straw man argument I've seen to date.

You then go on as follows:  "One day, seeing women had no effect on (and in fact, was kinda cootified), the next, it was like wow!  It isn't about any choice I made, it is about how my brain developed, and then how it responded to testosterone when my development reached a certain stage."

So you had the absolutely, clinically, scientifically, and indisputably "normal" reaction while going through puberty and you ACTUALLY ARE ARGUING THAT THIS IS A PRO GAY PROOF?! 

The insanity of the crap you've posted makes it hard to even respond.  I mean, I want to respond to you as a logical, mentally capable human being, but your statements are so outside of anything that can be considered sensible that it makes it utterly impossible. 

It's not even worth responding to your asinine, "Maybe we should lock them in a dungeon" bullcrap, as nobody has ever, even remotely suggested that.  It's the typical extremist pro-gay propaganda.  When the loud minority can't get their point across, then start nailing yourselves to crosses and calling yourselves crucified.  How long before you start comparing us to nazis?
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