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Rob Sandberg
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« on: April 04, 2012, 11:55:14 PM »

I have decided to go foundation less on one package and foundation on the other. So my son was home from college and we decided to wire. We crimped the wire put in wax foundation and hooked up the battery charger, in a few places the wax melted through the wire. now I have a few with 2-3 inch holes. May I leave it as such? I pinched the wax back together. How about using pins ? Should I crimp wire after placing in frames? Thank you
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2012, 10:13:02 PM »

The piece of wire has very limited resistance so the amperage is off the charts. Watch the wire, when it just starts to melt the wax STOP the current. The wire doesn't have to be 100% embedded; it's just there to keep the foundation from sagging in hot weather and to hold the foundation straight until the bees can do the trick and draw it out.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 10:33:39 PM »

Use a backer board behind your foundation in addition to the advice fish_stix gave you.

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 12:26:26 AM »

Thank you for taking time to give me advice. Will the holes matter ? Also do I need to weave foundation
Sheet between wires ? Ie two on top and two underneath ?
 
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2012, 08:57:54 AM »

I'm a newbee, but came up with a simple system for myself which is *very much* similar to what other people use so I sure ain't taking credit for it. Wink

I nailed and glued two scrap pieces of 1/2" thick plywood together and then cut the sandwich to a  dimension so that it will fit inside of the frames and leave maybe 1/8 to a 1/4 of an inch gap between it's edges and a frame.  Once the foundation is secured under the wedge and positioned in the bottom groove (I'm used wedge top bars) I carefully lay the frame/foundation onto the 1/2" plywood sandwich with the wires on top of the wax.  The weight of the frame presses the wires against the wax.  I have some old test leads off of a volt meter that I have attached to the leads on the battery charger.  I rest each hand slightly on the end bars putting slight pressure against the wax with the wire spans.  I have the leads in my fingers and slowly "tap" them against each end of a span of wire...tap, tap, tap....  When I see the wax *just* start to melt I stop...the melting will continue for a split second.  If I see a stretch towards the middle that might not have embedded very well I can tap the probes on the wire on either side of this unembedded area....tap tap.

Keeping the heat on the foundation indeed is a good way to cut it...makes a nice slice!!!  Ask me how I know!!!   rolleyes  It will just take some experience and you'll have it down pat.  As for the holes, if the foundation is secure and not falling the bees will probably fix it up.  I had a frame that had been "sliced" and when I looked in the hive a few days later I could see it kind of gapping open.  Several days later the bees had drawn out the foundation and I couldn't tell where the slice had been.  YMMV, of course. Smiley

I haven't got to the point where I embed the entire frame at one time...I figure I'm not a commercial guy, nor even a sideliner, so I've got time to go a bit slower. Smiley

I personally would just keep the wax on one side of the foundation...it seems it would make it easier to embed with no flipping sides.  But, all I've done is medium sized frames so I don't have experience to share on the deeps.

Good advice from these other guys.

Best wishes,
Ed


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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2012, 09:46:20 AM »

I dont think the holes will hurt a thing.  You dont even need the whole piece of foundation. A lot of people cut it in strips and just use a inch or 2 for a starter strip. 
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