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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2012, 02:08:51 PM »

Yes, Monsanto has done everything possible to block passage of any laws requiring the labeling of GMO's in our food supply. They don't want you to know how much of the stuff is currently in the food that you eat. What businesses develop a product that they claim is safe and superior, bring it to market, and then try to hide the fact that it exists in the products that are marketed? Monsanto is operating exactly that way.

They understand that the public is suspicious about eating GMO's and that most consumers do not want to eat them. Labeling would not be good for their business. Monsanto's solution is to cover it up and make it almost impossible for anyone to determine what does or doesn't contain GMO's. Far be it from us to make our own decisions and choices about what we will or won't eat.  angry
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2012, 02:18:10 PM »

Not only that, but if/when/as something goes wrong, there is no tracking back to them. They aren't an ingredient.
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2012, 04:12:07 PM »

Improper distribution has much to do w/ people starving.

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2012, 04:12:18 PM »

You always have to read between the lines when someone clearly has an agenda like this organization, but I found a lot of interesting information in this.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2012, 10:55:58 PM »

It looks like labelling of GMO foods is still the legal requirement here in Australia.  I shall have to check the soya bean section at the supermarket, because I certainly have never seen it labelled on canola oil or anything else.


http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consumerinformation/gmfoods/

http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consumerinformation/gmfoods/frequentlyaskedquestionsongeneticallymodifiedfoods/part3labellingofgmfo4659.cfm

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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2012, 01:10:24 AM »

... labelling of GMO foods is still the legal requirement...  I shall have to check the soya bean section at the supermarket, because I certainly have never seen it labelled on canola oil or anything else...

It is my impression that Australia produces a lot of canola or rape seed oil.  I also know that Round Up Ready rape seed is approved for planting in Australia, because a lot of research has been conducted in Australia on gene flow between GMO to non GMO canola. 

It is my humble opinion that any requirement that forces GMO crops to be so labeled is akin to the Nazis forcing Jews to wear a Star of David.  If non-GMO food is so much better than GMO food, then let the non-GMOs self identify and allow the consumer to choose between the two. 

If you oppose GMOs and you are right, what are you frightened of.  You still get to eat all the non GMO food your heart desires, and when all my children are born with two heads you'll have your proof.  If however I am right, sometime in the not to distant future I expect a mea culpa of the first order from all those who opposed GMOs out of an irrational fear of the new and unknown.
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2012, 03:12:26 AM »

GMO NAZIS!  WOW

"  If non-GMO food is so much better than GMO food, then let the non-GMOs self identify and allow the consumer to choose between the two.  "

Its not a better or less good issue, its a right to know issue.  If GMOs are labels, all non GMOs are identified as not GMOs because they are not labeled GMO, lol.  If GMOs are so great and there is nothing to worry about then why worry about being labeled as GMO.  Inform the consumer and let them decide.  GMOs pay politicians big money to keep consumers in the dark.
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2012, 05:38:20 AM »

 applause applause  Excellent advise.  Letting the NON-GMO producers Self identify.

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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2012, 07:04:26 AM »

"It is my humble opinion that any requirement that forces GMO crops to be so labeled is akin to the Nazis forcing Jews to wear a Star of David."

Do you listen to or put any real thought into your humble opinions before you type them kingbee? Marking Any food products packaging, and I don't don't care how you want to dress it up, is not equivalent to marking human beings for Identification & elimination.

"If non-GMO food is so much better than GMO food, then let the non-GMOs self identify and allow the consumer to choose between the two. "

Umm, how do I explain this so you understand and retain it kingbee......With the amount of GM pollens floating around, it is very difficult to have a crop that doesn't contain any gmo's. Not to mention the dollars it would take the innocent to examine every truck load to show the condition. You would think these products with gmo's would already come with a label that says "NEW AND IMPROVED"!!!!!! like many new and improved products if they were all they were cracked up to be. Wouldn't THAT make sense to even YOU kingbee.

"If you oppose GMOs and you are right, what are you frightened of."

What do you mean "if you are right" WE ARE RIGHT!!! I myself am fearful of Idiots dictating what we can and can't eat, and all of our original God created plant forms being contaminated by improvements and benefits so good that whatever they are in is secret. And I am frightened for our children's future dealing with them and what they will have produced.
 
" You still get to eat all the non GMO food your heart desires, and when all my children are born with two heads you'll have your proof."

We already have our proof. But if you feel good about letting kids (you probably won't be able to produce for a number of reasons I can think of anyway) eat junk, well, you will just be confirming how little you know about gmo's or care about infant human beings.

"If however I am right, sometime in the not to distant future I expect a mea culpa of the first order from all those who opposed GMOs out of an irrational fear of the new and unknown."

Yaaaawn!!!! You're not, and any major uprising in the near future likely wouldn't have anything to do with food labeling. Did you just admit there are unknowns about this new thingy? Why wouldn't you want to KNOW about something before you shove it in YOUR pie hole?

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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2012, 07:19:20 AM »

Wow, more excellent points to ponder.  This is getting good now  Wink

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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2012, 07:49:43 AM »

If you oppose GMOs and you are right, what are you frightened of.  You still get to eat all the non GMO food your heart desires, and when all my children are born with two heads you'll have your proof.  If however I am right, sometime in the not to distant future I expect a mea culpa of the first order from all those who opposed GMOs out of an irrational fear of the new and unknown.


You really think it comes down to the sole fact of whether you grow two heads?

Folks oppose GMO for a host of reasons. They include:

1) The monopoly ability of those designing the GMO crops. We have all heard of small farmers being sued for pollen drift onto their land, and the resulting tainted seed.

2) Environmental #1: Some see the environment as a complete ecosystem. And as example, if we take out all the aphids, to get better looking roses, we now break the food chain and lady bugs now have lost their number one food source. No aphids(Some say Yeah!) and then there is no more ladybugs. (Some say Boo!) One of the problem with GMO crops is their vast use, affecting more than what any local grower of roses would ever impact. GMO is everywhere, impacting everything. When GMO crops can break so many chains on a vast scale, side impacts are created. Insects by the way feed bats, frogs, birds, etc. And even if there was still enough insects for them to feed, the impacts on these other creatures are not yet known. Most of the environment evolved with certain nutrition requirements. All life needs a define mineral, vitamin, and complete balanced diet. GMO (Replacing genetic material of one species, with genetic material from another, changes that.) Some just on principle, feel messing with the ecosystem in this manner is wrong.

3) Environment #2: No doubt, I think GMO crops are harmful to bees. GMO crops, and neonicotinoid systemic pesticides (they go hand in hand), are no doubt affecting honey bees, as well as other beneficial pollinators. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2012/120111KrupkeBees.html As they continue the development of GMO crops, they may eventually have no need for pretreating the seeds with additional harmful chemicals. But that does not mean that the pollen will be any better to eat as they replace neonicotinoids with dna making the plant just as deadly. Of course, this is where "designer bees" will come into play as they design, produce, market, and sell, bees able to cope with the designer seeds. And even if they can design a honey be such as this, where does that leave the greater environment?

There are probably more reasons why folks oppose GMO. Probably like growth hormones in beef or milk, it will take years for some to see the impact. I guess if someone likes fully developed 7 year olds, able to carry their baby to term, you probably have no problems with growth hormones. Some want hormone free beef and milk, and some want GMO free foods.

But I do ask, what in the near future would have folks opposed to GMO, come around as you suggest?

I would suggest that with the increased technology we have going forward, that the environmental damage could be far greater than anything we see today. Unchecked industries (like Monsanto) usually make things worse, not better. Monsanto may micro-design the honey bee to keep some hapless beekeepers in business or for public relations. But nobody will give a crap about anything else.

And when beekeepers, with all their understanding of the wonders of nature as the bees taught them, are this easy as a pushover for the likes of Monsanto, I guess the general public will go down this path without even a whimper.

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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2012, 08:07:47 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2012, 03:00:46 PM »

  If non-GMO food is so much better than GMO food, then let the non-GMOs self identify and allow the consumer to choose between the two.  
Non-GMOs DO self-identify. It's called certified organic. Monsanto has fought vociferously to not let other people (rGBH-free) self identify.

As for the fear factor, I think that humans have evolved to be cautious of new things. It has probably often and historically saved our lives. I definitely don't claim GMOs will cause 2-headed humans, because I don't know. However, it has led to lab animals on GMO diets to become sterile. If you're fine with that, keep on eating what you're eating. I will continue to eat organic where I can and grow my own food.
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2012, 04:22:16 AM »

... Monsanto fought it bigtime. Milk producers here tried to label their milk rGBH free, but Monsanto fought until they weren't allowed to do that...

Gee, then how come I just purchased a gallon of 2% milk at my local Alde grocery store that was labeled hormone free?

But generally this is a lie because all cows milk contains various bovine female sex hormones including the naturally occurring identical twin to rGBH.  The problem with labeling milk as rGBH free is that no test currently exists (We found Osama bin Laden, but Uncle Sam can't find man made rGBS despite 20 years of trying) that can tell man made rGBH from naturally occurring rGBH.  So even organic cows milk must be labeled as containing rGBH.
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2012, 05:49:47 AM »

"Gee, then how come I just purchased a gallon of 2% milk at my local Alde grocery store that was labeled hormone free?"

Gee, I don't know why you did it. I doubt because it was hormone free though. GMO's to hormones now eh???

Kingbee, this may be way over your head, but there is a large difference from the hormones man makes/takes and feeds the critters for rapid weight gain, increased milk production etc, to the ones naturally produced by the animal all by their little ol self so they can do things the way they were designed too. SO,,, if the product said hormone free, it simply meant it didn't have any growth or lactose producing hormones  given to it by the grower/producer.

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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2012, 09:09:45 AM »

... Monsanto fought it bigtime. Milk producers here tried to label their milk rGBH free, but Monsanto fought until they weren't allowed to do that...

Gee, then how come I just purchased a gallon of 2% milk at my local Alde grocery store that was labeled hormone free?

But generally this is a lie because all cows milk contains various bovine female sex hormones including the naturally occurring identical twin to rGBH.  The problem with labeling milk as rGBH free is that no test currently exists (We found Osama bin Laden, but Uncle Sam can't find man made rGBS despite 20 years of trying) that can tell man made rGBH from naturally occurring rGBH.  So even organic cows milk must be labeled as containing rGBH.

Obviously we're talking about ADDED rGBH, not what naturally occurs in cows.

This battle is still being fought state by state across the nation. I won't list all the sources, but a quick Google search on "rGBH labeling milk america" will give you a good start.
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2012, 09:19:56 AM »


While I do not buy all my food from organic stores (I have issues with them also), and could be hardly considered an advocate for some of the more radicals out there with stances of bee conferences being marketed as being HFCS free,....

errr...I assume you are talking about our conference?

Do you cook with HFCS in your home?  I'm no health food nut, but I don't like the taste of HFCS...at least how it comes across where I encounter it (have you tasted ketchup lately?).

We cook all the food for our conference from scratch using the same ingredients that we use in our own cooking.  We say no HFCS because we don't use it....hardly seems radical to me....and the prevalence of HFCS in today's institutional food makes it worth noting.

We supply 3 really good meals a day at an unbelievably low price to the attendees.  We address every single dietary issue that is brought to our attention and make sure that everyone has choices for every meal.  Vegetarian, vegan, food allergy....all addressed at every meal.  We buy as much produce as possible from local farms, and we serve the same kinds of food we would serve in our home....homemade, and without HFCS.

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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2012, 10:48:04 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2012, 11:20:40 AM »

I think it's funny that you think I look down on anyone who smokes, drinks or eats HFCS...I do all of the above at times.  We've never "stopped" anyone from opening a ginger ale or soda....but we serve coffee, tea, mint iced tea (homemade from mint growing in our yard), and water...I can only recall one or two bringing soda in....no one yelled at them...nothing to stop them.  There is a bar on site (open in the evenings) that serves drinks....I didn't notice anyone ordering soda, and I didn't check the sour mix for HFCS.  There is a campfire at the camping area every night...plenty of beer and smoke (the one night we weren't too tired to attend, I drank a beer _and_ smoked a cigar).

We do serve meat at every supper and most lunches (chicken legs, sausage)...we stopped doing lunch meat when we moved to a venue with a better kitchen where we could prepare real food for lunch as well as dinner.

No one complains about the food....from vegan to carnivore (I'm more on the carnivore side of things)....and virtually no one feels the need to go elsewhere for food during the 6 days of the event.

There are all kinds of claims one can make about meals being served..."healthy" "home made" etc....saying that there is no HFCS served shows that we are not buying in institutional/cafeteria food.

I'm not saying this to encourage you to come.....I'm trying to make it clear what we do to counter misinformation offered out of ignorance.

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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2012, 01:00:15 PM »

...I don't see the point of just deleting a post.  You could simply acknowledge that you were wrong, apologize and move on.  It would make more sense in the archives.

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