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« on: January 25, 2012, 10:35:07 AM »

Just thought I'd share this...  Ed

If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage, hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes an attempt with same result ... all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put the cold water away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys, replacing it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment... with enthusiasm.

Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by a fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs. Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, none of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.

Why, you ask? Because in their minds... that is the way it has always been!

This, my friends, is how Congress operates... and is why, from time to time, all of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME!
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 10:59:48 AM »

But, will it still be that way if it is found that the monkeys' IQs are much higher than the congress members??
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 10:33:11 AM »

Inthesamp has squarely hit the nail on the head.  Excellent metaphoric analysis (and solution Smiley).  And all w/out calling anyone a monkey cool.  Thanks for the story.

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 11:32:51 AM »

'our country's leadership' may be only half monkey?
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 11:45:43 AM »

I spoke too soon rolleyes
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 02:32:51 PM »

Tbeek, I was trying to be nice. The forum won't let me use the other word.  evil
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 06:27:39 PM »

" I HAVE A DREAM....."   cool
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 08:07:10 AM »

My dreams are nightmares about the messiah winning in 2012, 4 more years of monkey business. 

Seriously, you are right, clean out the house, senate, and congress with all rookies.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 06:08:11 PM »

Rookie Democrats! grin
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 12:05:04 AM »

Our country's leadership ?

Isn't that an oxymoron ?

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 09:13:14 AM »

Old Blue: I agree w/ your assessment.  A lack of leadership is part of the plan, as are the mediocre candidates we are presented.

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 10:35:51 AM »



...and before someone says this is urban myth, it looks like the fellow in the video below (that both sides of the aisle like to appear "kindred to") quoted Thomas...

The Reagan Obama Debate


This video might interest some folks, too.  Obama talking of increasing taxes and boldly states that he believes in a "pay as you go" philosophy.  UHHH!!!!!!!?HuhHuhHuh?  Be sure and watch the last minute or so...

BHO Admits He's a Socialist


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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 10:43:54 AM »

what's funny is that we never needed him to say it.  if more had had the sense to look at his life, there was no way he could be anything else.  he was steeped in communism from birth. 

thing is, we have such a politically ignorant society and one so bent on having stuff given to them, i'm not sure that it would have mattered if he stood up and announced his membership in the communist party.

i have a bunch of these links and i don't know if i have posted them here, but here's only one in case i'm being redundant.   Smiley

http://www.isreview.org/issues/61/feat-pushdemsleft.shtml
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 12:29:31 PM »

Communism and Socialism are two different things.

Communism is based on communal ownership of property.
'They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work'

Socialism is based on social ideals.
The well off should help the less fortunate.

Capitalism is based on capital, private ownership.

NEWS FLASH : The USSR has fallen, Eastern Europe is free, Communism as a military threat is NON-EXISTENT.
Now if you fear an INTERNAL uprising (either peaceful or militant),what are you going to do to stop it?
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 02:48:24 PM »

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Communism is based on communal ownership of property.
'They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work'

Socialism is based on social ideals.
The well off should help the less fortunate.

the well off should help those who can not help themselves.  however, when the government forces equality then the difference between socialism and communism is only a matter of degrees. "social justice" depends on centralized government telling us what we need, how much we need, and redistributing wealth to make sure we get what we need. need being defined by the government. 

when the government redistributes there is not much daylight between communal ownership and communal responsibility.  in both systems what is earned by one is taken and given to another.  in communism you  have the illusion of communal ownership. in socialism you have the illusion of private ownership.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 02:56:41 PM »

Alas, neither socialism nor capitalism can be completely successful without the others participation and input, and without 'equal' amounts of both forces working hand in hand, Democracy itself is impossible to achieve.  

Capitalism as currently practiced is based on the monopolization and exclusive profit off the planet and its resource's by a very select group of people who in return for this theft provide a fraction, if any type of pay back to the people it robs from every day.

I prefer geoism myself.  But don't ask me to explain, look it up for yourselves.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 04:13:04 PM »

I completely agree with Thomas.

Our current system is not yet capitalism. We are between feudalism and capitalism.
In feudalism all the resources and privileges (including studying) was restricted to the nobility. Now in many areas we are close to a free market - crucial in a well functioning capitalism - but still we have a suffocating number of monopolies. But we are getting there in an ever accelerating speed.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 12:14:20 AM »

... Because in their minds... that is the way it has always been!...

"I like a little rebellion now and then, it's like a storm in the atmosphere."--Thomas Jefferson
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2012, 03:57:20 AM »

... Alas, neither socialism nor capitalism can be completely successful... [and] Democracy.. is impossible to achieve... I prefer geoism...

Its called Georgeism T Beek, not geoism.  

But Georgeism is basically the old feudal economic system called usufruct.  Under usufruct you paid a rent or tax to the government. (usually the local knight, baron, or churchman.)  But you were forbidden the ownership of any land, even your own house.  You could also be displaced at the whim of the local government, for public connivance, like to accommodate another family with more children who could  thus more intensely cultivate the land and pay a higher rent.   I fail to see any benefit to Georgeism.  Perhaps you can enlighten us.

But I do see a possible connection between Georgeism and our current President.  A 23 year old Georgian politician and current MP named Dr. Vince Cable was sent to the former British Colony of Kenya in 1966 to advise the new Kenyan government.  This was about the time that Barrack H. Obama Senior started his university studies.  I wonder what if any influence Cable or Georgeism may have had on our future President via his father.

At any rate Georgeism proved much more popular in Great Brittan than it was here.  This is nor surprising considering the large land holdings of the English elite before WWI.  The German Kiser and his army pretty well killed off the old English elite class system in the trenches of WWI.  Which only goes to prove to me that every storm cloud has its silver lining.
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