So called Market 'solutions' is what brought us to this place kathyp. And FYI, we already ration care in America.
And although its been suggested by you repeatedly here and on diferent threads "I DO NOT EXPECT OUR GOVERNMENT TO DO ANYTHING FOR ME", I'm of the belief that 'we' are the government, so please go back and 'read' what I've posted instead of giving your pat answers to your pat assumptions. Jeeze Louise :-D
I've been hearing people (mostly politicians) proclaim the benefits of VA health Care and its own successful solutions to high medical costs for years. I see no reason why their methods couldn't be adopted in mass, other than the lost profits (entitlements?) of a few profiteers/conmen who provide nothing, least of all actual health care.
So called Obama-care was/is nothing more than a gift to these 'non' providers, yet is blasted as some kind of 'socialist' action by the same lobby that wrote the law :roll:. That is a joke (on all of us) when all things are considered. It Will not/cannot lower health care costs and never will, because the majority of the costs are profit driven as opposed to health care driven. VA health care is considerably more socialist than the corrupt system we have.
People don't just go to other countries because they can pay cash kathyp. They go because their 'insurance company' very likely denied all or part of a claim and in order to have the particular procedure done in the States requires a mortgage AND all first born children, just as a down payment ;). OK, I'm making that last part up, but unless your living in a cave you must know what I mean.
For those looking for some real enlightenment, seek out Bill Moyers latest PBS interview w/ David Stockman (ST. Ron's OMB Manager). Amazing perspective to say the least (and well hidden from most of America for a reason) A perspective that "IMO" would be a welcome addition to this conversation.
Besides making some sense out of this (mostly manufactured) complex situation, Stockman offers some clear headed, rational (and very doable) solutions to our current predicament. Makes me wonder why the Republicans don't try to run him for something.
Oh wait, that would make too much sense and interfere with (unearned, mostly conned) profits :-D He also represents "true" conservatism, not this current day criminal version we've been told is conservatism.
Educating ourselves and acting on what is learned will be our only salvation in the end. If you're just sitting around pointing fingers, helping with the divisiveness (doing their bidding for them as a tool or fool) and/or waiting for the Obamas or the Romney's to 'change' anything for the better (unless its better for them) you're living Disneyland IMO :-D and will be waiting a very long time.
Make no mistake; Presidents, all Presidents, conserve the status quo (or better known as, the lives of the fabulously wealthy). That is their primary function, regardless of party, to protect the wealthy at all costs. Thank goodness more and more are recognizing this important fact and having some light bulb moments. Would that be evolution?
I've also experienced health care in other countries, some w/ excellent care and access, some w/ none to little (thank goodness I had that government job, heh?). My experiences were not quite like the descriptions offered by kathyp, but she offered no actual locations so am not certain what it all meant really, accept to refute the fact that better and cheaper systems 'really' do exist, despite her assertion.
In the States I've mostly relied on VA since retiring and to be honest, I'd rather have the care available in Singapore.
Oh and BTW, in no way are high medical costs associated with the number of people in a Country (that's a myth or lie perpetuated by the industry, you choose) the argument simply makes no sense and the VA is a 'perfect' example.
With "more" people included we should be able to strike a 'better' deal for 'all' not just the most profitable deal for the 'non-providing' insurer.