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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2011, 11:19:51 PM »

Terribly Sad! $75.00 doesn't seem like a lot to gamble over, but a minimum wage, maybe only one bread winner?  Cry AW heck! they were probably just trailer trash anyway, livin on welfare , screwin up ar American Kuntry! To Bad sombud didn't spike the door shut with them init!  What do you want to bet they didn't have any insurance? Probably couldn't afford any of that stuff either! Would that make it doubly sad? Capitalism at it's worst - if you can't afford it / do without! 
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2011, 12:12:15 AM »

Odd.  When I lived in Oklahoma there was a similar situation, but the fire department, if you called them, would put out the fire and send you a bill...
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2011, 09:03:33 AM »

The city could annex all the area in question and impose the taxes on the people for the services they now provide, but you can only imagine the hell that would break loose if they tried that.
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2011, 09:21:48 AM »

Sadly if you don't live in the service area, indeed something like this can happen.  Ambulances  for rural FD's also may have a subscription service.  If you need the service and haven't paid the subscription fee you are charged in some cases as much as 10 times more than the family that paid the $125 yearly subscription fee...and both get charged.  Fire response also, but the way I have always seen it is the assistance first, then the bill for services renderded.  Pretty cold and hard that they would just let it burn, tho I can see them not wanting to leave their service area.  (did not read the article, just the posts)  Having been a member of a volunteer FD/EMS program, funding is very limited and the equipment is terribly expensive.  They must raise money some where.  These folks leave their work to respond.  Even now in a satellite of Vancouver/Portland area, our FD is only partly paid staff, part volunteer, and they charge for service after the fact.  It will vary all over the country.  Never go without fire insurance, never.  
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2011, 09:29:50 AM »

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Terribly Sad! $75.00 doesn't seem like a lot to gamble over, but a minimum wage, maybe only one bread winner?   AW heck! they were probably just trailer trash anyway, livin on welfare , screwin up ar American Kuntry! To Bad sombud didn't spike the door shut with them init!  What do you want to bet they didn't have any insurance? Probably couldn't afford any of that stuff either! Would that make it doubly sad? Capitalism at it's worst - if you can't afford it / do without!


it is an awful system.  we should figure out a good number and take everything above that number and give it to everyone below.  it's  not fair for people to have so much when others have so little.  we need a fair system and the government needs to make sure it's fair!!
OH!!  and all services should be FREE! 
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2011, 09:30:44 AM »

Ya right and I am the Pied Piper of Washougal
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2011, 10:07:27 AM »

If the firemen knew this was outside of their service area and was a non paying residence, then why did they even roll out of the fire house? It just makes it that much more of a sad case when they are standing there in their turnout gear and the fire trucks are just idling watching the structure burn to the ground.

Around here rural/metro fire department and the city fire department almost come to fighting at the scene sometimes because they are arguing over who is in charge. Many structures have burnt to the ground because of the non payment thing. What really looked bad was when two of the rural/metro firemen were caught setting fire to the public library one night, said they were bored and needed some excitement  rolleyes
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2011, 10:41:10 AM »

G3, it was probably to make sure that the people were safe first.  I don't know the situation, but I'd venture a guess that if there had been people in there those firemen would not have let anything stop them to get to the people.  They at least responded to make sure life wasn't at risk. 

Buildings can be replaced. (pets can too even if people have incredibly strong bonds to their pets)

It is a hard lesson.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2011, 11:26:17 AM »

 Hi ,  We live in an area where there is no rural fire service .  We also have a number of local water delivery companies with large water tank trucks .
Two years ago when we noticed our next door neighbors' large shop on fire, I told my wife to call the water truck and see if they could come and fight the fire .  As she was doing that , I grabbed fire extinguishers and shovels and ran over there to do battle . Within 10 minutes the water truck showed up with 3000 gallons of water and a spray nozzle that shot water for more than 50 feet.  The driver said they carry that for occassions like this and for flooding skating rinks .  The shop was a write-off , but the greater good was in that the fire was kept from spreading during the high wind and tinder dry conditions. My neighbors' insurance company gladly payed the $100 that the water truck driver charged . Yes , my neighbor got to rebuild the shop too .
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2011, 02:42:10 PM »

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You are correct, if Jesus had been the victim He would have paid the $75.

But, if He had been the firemen He would have put out the fire.
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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2011, 05:59:49 PM »

render unto Caersar.....?

Ah Religion, .... if I remember right  .... Jesus was talking about (wait for it) TAXES .....  paraphrasing...he asked the man who's likeness was on the coin used to pay taxes! When the reply was ' Caesar ' Jesus said ' render unto the Lord what is the Lords and render unto Caesar what is Caesars'  I take it as Jesus saying: Pay your taxes!
Another statement out of the Bible: It is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than getting a Camel through the eye of a needle! banana devil
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2011, 06:18:06 PM »

render unto Caersar.....?

Ah Religion, .... if I remember right  .... Jesus was talking about (wait for it) TAXES .....  paraphrasing...he asked the man who's likeness was on the coin used to pay taxes! When the reply was ' Caesar ' Jesus said ' render unto the Lord what is the Lords and render unto Caesar what is Caesars'  I take it as Jesus saying: Pay your taxes!
Another statement out of the Bible: It is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than getting a Camel through the eye of a needle! banana devil
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2011, 06:43:48 PM »

Ya'll are blaming the Fire Dept. for something that was the peoples fault. They are the ones who didn't do what they should have done to protect their belongings. banana devil Which is pay there $75 tax. Render unto the FD that which is theirs and they will put the fire out. Keep the money for yourself and take your chances. Cry Kinda like not paying for health ins. and expecting someone else to pay your doctor bill after you get sick. Socialism at its best.
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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2011, 07:57:04 PM »

Let's hope that these people at least had home owners insurance, but since they live out in the "sticks" away from town, just how much of the trailer could the fire department saved?  The frame maybe?   The fire department rolled out in case of life safety.   Just to save a life.  Sounds like the county needs to get the people together to start a volunteer fire department. 
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2011, 05:14:05 AM »

AllenF, you nailed it. By the time someone realized what was happening and called for help there was likely nothing left to save other than a pile of hot tin. Trailer, espescially old trailers burn so fast and so hot it is really scary.(14 years in the fire service speaking). I'm sure they would have done anything to save a life if need be, but realistically they were just keeping it from spreading to joining properties.
Lets also remember how the media sometimes blows things out of proportion for a better story...
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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2011, 07:36:41 AM »

I think the best solution is make those not paying up front, pay a much higher amount after the fact. 500, 1000, 1500...whatever is appropriate. I'm sure placing a lien on the property is easy since they do it anyway for taxes and other matters. You could even tie it to any insurance payout and have it included in insurance policies. (Most policies have have mandatory requirements for coverage if there is a loan involved, so I am assuming these properties had no mortgages).

I think sending the same 75 dollar bill after the fact, does no good as nobody would pay up front. So you discount those paying every year, by having it 75 dollars. And then charge appropriately for those not paying up front. And if they don't pay for costs incurred in saving the property, you can't get a building permit to rebuild or allowed to sell the property till it's paid.

Personally, I would just rather have everyone pay a small tax for such services. And forgo the processes and even legal matters of another approach. But if you don't tax everyone, then at least have  system in place for those that would not, or could not, pay ahead of time. Nobody should be without fire services regardless of the system in place.
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2011, 08:57:08 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2011, 02:41:42 PM »

I think the sticky wicket comes when these same fire companies accept any kind of county state and federal dollars.(taxpayer money from the larger pool).
 If it was outside their service area and they did not respond,it's one thing. But if they accepted federal and state grant money,especially monies many of these departments got in the antiterrorism spending spree,then they have some obligation once they showed up.They took money for the 'greater good" at that point but did not use it for the "greater good'.
  I do think they residents should have paid,but perhaps in the circumstance above they already have.
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