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Author Topic: FOR ALL THE IDIOTS WHO ADORE OUR WORTHLESS LEADER..  (Read 5248 times)
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« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2011, 02:32:15 PM »

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Boom or Bust, the rich always do well.

yes they do and it's a good thing, too.

lets take the case of my friend who just bought a vacation home. 

the house had been empty, so the neighborhood home values were improved with the sale.
on the sale, the Realtor made money.
the house needed work, so she hired a contractor.
the house needed updating, so she hired a decorator.
she's not there all the time, so she hired a gardener.
the house is in an HOA, so fees are paid to them to hire maintenance people.
fees are paid to a security company.
she pays property taxes, but has no children in the school system.
she bought furniture for the house.
when she's there, she shops in the local economy, and uses the restaurants.

do you think that it would have been better to have given the money to the government?  would they have made better choices with it? 

those of you who want the rich to pay higher taxes....to what end?  what exactly has the government done well with what it has, that makes you think they would do well with more?

the government does not lack revenue.  it lacks common sense. 
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« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2011, 02:49:27 PM »

Kathy, we all have our opinions.  You are entitled to yours.  But you are NOT entitled to your own facts.   So I'm wondering why you have not yet retracted your claim that GM and Chrysler did not declare bankruptcy.    If you can't stick to the facts, some may also doubt your opinions.
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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2011, 03:11:09 PM »

unwad your skivvies.  i didn't answer because i was in a hurry and missed your post.  sorry.

you were right.  i was wrong.  Wink
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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2011, 03:27:34 PM »

What game is rigged?  You keep rambling about the rich giving more, and sticking it to 150,000 to make everything better.  Those 150,000 multimillionaires would be swallowed by our national debt without any real difference.  Most of those outspoken million or billionaires started out with nothing and built what they have with hard work and ingenuity. And they've helped out far more than they've taken advantage of.  In fact, most of them have their own foundations that they start and contribute to for charity reasons, they contribute and build hospitals, universities, museums, charities up the wazoo, whatever they think would be a good charity and use their money the best.  But the government knows better, right?

Yes, our problems now are from greed.  But we are ALL greedy.  I'm greedy.  You're greedy. Greedy for things, greedy for power, greedy for money, greedy for etc. There are greedy poor people, greedy rich people, and greedy 99%ers.  We think the world will be better if we get what those others have.  The booms were created by people who wanted to be rich.  And by people who wanted things they couldn't afford.  And plenty of rich people and poor people alike suffered.

But transferring that greed from a thousand points of power to one giant point of power is a recipe for...well...the USSR.  Socialism is just as greedy as capitalism, since it both involves people.  It just looks different.
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« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2011, 03:49:32 PM »

Kathy, we all have our opinions.  You are entitled to yours.  But you are NOT entitled to your own facts.   So I'm wondering why you have not yet retracted your claim that GM and Chrysler did not declare bankruptcy.    If you can't stick to the facts, some may also doubt your opinions.
After declaring bankruptcy did they follow the normal bankruptcy procedures? Things like a bankruptcy court being involved where they reorganize or did our gov. step in and change things. Things like firing the CEO and giving the unions alot of the stocks that belong to the stockholders seems like Gov. gave some of one company to a foreign auto company.. Just wondering how it all came down.
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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2011, 04:43:40 PM »

What game is rigged?  You keep rambling about the rich giving more, and sticking it to 150,000 to make everything better.  Those 150,000 multimillionaires would be swallowed by our national debt without any real difference.  Most of those outspoken million or billionaires started out with nothing and built what they have with hard work and ingenuity. And they've helped out far more than they've taken advantage of.  In fact, most of them have their own foundations that they start and contribute to for charity reasons, they contribute and build hospitals, universities, museums, charities up the wazoo, whatever they think would be a good charity and use their money the best.  But the government knows better, right?

Yes, our problems now are from greed.  But we are ALL greedy.  I'm greedy.  You're greedy. Greedy for things, greedy for power, greedy for money, greedy for etc. There are greedy poor people, greedy rich people, and greedy 99%ers.  We think the world will be better if we get what those others have.  The booms were created by people who wanted to be rich.  And by people who wanted things they couldn't afford.  And plenty of rich people and poor people alike suffered.

But transferring that greed from a thousand points of power to one giant point of power is a recipe for...well...the USSR.  Socialism is just as greedy as capitalism, since it both involves people.  It just looks different.

Please don't include me with your greedy friends. You don't know me.  Assumptions are part the problem for too many out there, besides if you knew me you wouldn't assume anything Wink.

The fact is the great MAJORITY of the rich in the world were born that way, another fact twister is not what is needed scads, please put brain in gear before typing grin

Another fact so many choose to ignore (doesn't quite fit the JBS mantra);

"No country can have success without equal portions of capitalism and socialism, only with both working together is a Democracy even possible."  -Mr. T

Now please just chew on that for a little bit before providing the patt knee-jerk response. 

Time to change the channel Kiss.

Enough of this already.  I can accept who and what you work for if you can.

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« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2011, 05:52:28 PM »

""Please don't include me with your greedy friends. You don't know me.  Assumptions are part the problem for too many out there, besides if you knew me you wouldn't assume anything.""

Since the statement is posted on the forum, I assume it means everyone.
Then if no one knows you, I assume you are very hard to get to know.
Which I assume, means you are not very friendly, or it would be easier to get to know you.
Most unfriendly people I know are also greedy. Otherwise, they would be more sociable and easier to get to know.
See, I can assume lots of things.  grin grin

""The fact is the great MAJORITY of the rich in the world were born that way, another fact twister is not what is needed scads, please put brain in gear before typing grin.""

You say his statement is wrong, but you show no proof that yours is correct. Let's see your references.

I, too, believe there are more millionaires self-made then born.

 

 
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« Reply #67 on: November 29, 2011, 06:10:11 PM »

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I, too, believe there are more millionaires self-made then born.

there are a huge number in the old USSR and they have been created in the last 30  years.  the majority of millionaires in this country are either small business owners, or retired....but a million isn't what it used to be and being worth a million doesn't mean you have a million in cash sitting around.

the problem with the calculations is that there are a very few, very rich.  the Gates, Jobs, etc. have great wealth, but they are a small % of the population.  even so, they make the so called wealth gap look huge.  if you were being a good teacher and threw out those top and bottom people, the middle doesn't have such gaps. 

i have no idea why this wealth gap thing makes people crazy.  what someone else has, has nothing to do with what i have. 

so i still ask:  if the government raises taxes on the "rich", what do you want them to do with it?  how do you think it will make things better?  or, is it not about better, but about "fair"?
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« Reply #68 on: November 29, 2011, 10:01:37 PM »

isn't it amusing that the same people who are supporting occupy and singing their praises, condemn the tea party.  one group has managed to destroy property, attract and engage in crime, rape women, interfere with commerce, cost cities millions, and generally stink up the place.  the other group has done just what has been suggested here; get involved and make demonstrable changes in the system

what's the difference?  liberals are attracted to an emotional message even when the message is unintelligible.  those folks may be confused, but THEY CARE, and caring is EVERYTHING!  besides, the libs in power don't really want an organized and successful move for change.  they want a group that they can use, but not a group that can force them to do anything.

so here is the thing:  when you go to town and can't get to the business that you want because of  OWS folks,  remember THEY CARE.  can't use the park because they trashed it, not to worry, THEY CARE,  police run out of money because they spent it on overtime at OWS protests?  it's ok.  the OWS people....THEY CARE.

put that in your head and it will be easier to deal with them.....until spring when they are reconstituted by the unions/communists and engage in the violence that we all know is coming......because THEY CARE.
Kathy.... very well put!!!!!   Bravo!  Might want to review your views were agreeing  jaw drop
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« Reply #69 on: November 29, 2011, 11:02:11 PM »

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Kathy.... very well put!!!!!   Bravo!  Might want to review your views were agreeing   
 
 


hell froze over a couple of weeks ago, and with your post, i think we have entered a new ice age!!  cheer
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« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2011, 08:57:08 PM »

TBeek,
I don't see anything wrong in your post. It is truly the electorate that has happened to our country.
 But a lot of this also falls back on the education system.The last thing they seem to teach anymore is American History.
By 5th grade, my kids will have had state and national history. We'll see if it gets repeated in the upper grades.
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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2011, 03:43:22 PM »

Ain't it kewl just how far this topic has strayed from the original issue about GE moving it's x-ray division to China...  LOL!!  Who's steering this ship anyway??  Smiley
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« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2011, 10:13:48 PM »

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hell froze over a couple of weeks ago, and with your post, i think we have entered a new ice age!!  cheer
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