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Uncapping Knife
« on: November 23, 2011, 09:53:52 PM »
Thoughts and ideas for uncapping knives; electric or serrated? Pierce-Mieras?

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 10:41:59 PM »
I use an electric knife.  I will try a plane next time because my wrist gets sore after a day of uncapping with the knife.
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 01:30:30 PM »
Will the uncapping plane work with deep & shallow frames?
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 08:42:27 PM »
Have you seen JP's video in this thread: http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,31826.0.html
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 03:55:25 PM »
A word to the wise your having a capping scratcher is a must.  Get those low spots in the comb you can't get with a knife or planer.  Of course if you watch the video in the link to the other thread you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 10:53:24 PM »
>Will the uncapping plane work with deep & shallow frames?

Yes.
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 11:59:58 PM »
I wish I had the link handy to the Russian/European uncapping setup with the steamheated vee shaped stationary knife you run the frame over.  I am going to have a metal shop build one of those.  Look for it on youtube. 

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 02:32:26 AM »
Is this what you're talking about?


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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 04:03:33 AM »
Wow - great video and really neat tool.

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 04:13:21 PM »
Now that is a cool set up.  Easy and not very costly.   I bet to could make an electric knife (or 2 of them) that would work in that way.   And extracting right in the bee yard.   Cool video.

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 05:32:17 PM »
I think that is an electric knife. I would guess running off a car battery.

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 06:29:54 PM »
knife with a water-steam

I just made ​​it much better.

This knife never seen.
Pay attention because it is different.
Thin steel cables have a special place.
Midle on knives.
Two sides are under the knife.
What is shown is a functional prototype.


http://youtu.be/pCbVEv3rnE4
https://picasaweb.google.com/100844016071331525883/RusianKnife?authuser=0&feat=directlink

I made the knife to 12V, opens on both sides of the frame.
It cuts like laser.If you are interested, I can send instructions for self-construction.

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2011, 06:52:14 AM »
knife with a water-steam

I just made ​​it much better.

This knife never seen.
Pay attention because it is different.
Thin steel cables have a special place.
Midle on knives.
Two sides are under the knife.
What is shown is a functional prototype.


http://youtu.be/pCbVEv3rnE4
https://picasaweb.google.com/100844016071331525883/RusianKnife?authuser=0&feat=directlink

I made the knife to 12V, opens on both sides of the frame.
It cuts like laser.If you are interested, I can send instructions for self-construction.


I would like any more details you have on making this. Is the "knife" just some steel that you have sharpened?

The one in your pictures seems to be steam operated? How did you make it to run on 12V?

Thanks
Shane

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2011, 08:56:47 AM »
I too would like more info on this
it sure looks like a great invention
I like the guide cables

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2011, 09:38:04 AM »
Just thought I'd mention that if you uncap during daylight hours outside you do run the risk of drawing bees in, particularly during a dearth. Been there done that, never again!  :-D


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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2011, 05:18:18 PM »
Please post plans!  I think this is a better mousetrap.  I would steam heat it though.  I see advantages of the one you are using.  Is it better than the one with a wooden frame in many of the you tube videos?  Thanks Mr Spomenko
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2011, 08:09:24 PM »
Just thought I'd mention that if you uncap during daylight hours outside you do run the risk of drawing bees in, particularly during a dearth. Been there done that, never again!  :-D

...JP

Good point to bring up and remember.   In the Russian video, they were in a screened tent of sorts.  Some were still getting in, or still in the supers, but it looked like it was working.   I still get bees in the house if I don't freeze the supers first.   

I would like to see how on would get the heating element on the bottom of the v blade.   12 volt or 120 volts.   I think it would be easier/ faster than the knife.

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2011, 10:49:56 PM »
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I would like to see how one would get the heating element on the bottom of the v blade.   12 volt or 120 volts.   I think it would be easier/ faster than the knife
A 12 volt Cigarette lighter gets pretty darn hot :shock:
I'd like to try out my new little mig welder

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2011, 03:35:02 AM »
A 12 V is a different NOZ.
With both sides at the same time frame opens like a saw.
See the drawings.
https://picasaweb.google.com/100844016071331525883/OpenerWaxCovers?authuser=0&feat=directlink

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 08:57:02 AM »
I think the blade is the heating element

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2011, 02:31:06 PM »
Spomenko, nice work! 

Which of your designs works best?  The one with the triangle shaped knifes, or the later 12volt heated wire design you posted?  Thanks for the links to your photos and design notes.

On the 12volt heated wire design, did you use anything special for the wire, like NiCr wire, or just any old wire?

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 02:15:42 AM »
I used wire from the heater from the heater with glass tubes.
In my state is called a heat lamp.
One heater cost U.S. $ 1.
Since a heater you can make 7-8 knife heaters
triangle shaped knives for a number of frames.
With the wire at 12 v is remarkable.
It takes more skill because you are working with him as with a hand saw.
12 V is still a small number of frames, the only advantage is that you can trim what to do when you roll conditions and put in a jar.
When you open frame horizontal hold.

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2011, 12:59:56 PM »
A 12 V is a different NOZ.
With both sides at the same time frame opens like a saw.
See the drawings.
https://picasaweb.google.com/100844016071331525883/OpenerWaxCovers?authuser=0&feat=directlink

I take it that you slide the frame into the wire just past the frame ends and then run the length and then slide it out when you hit the other frame end?
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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2011, 01:25:46 PM »
i thnk that black line running away and two many of them is for steam!  It is my plan. 

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Re: Uncapping Knife
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 03:03:16 PM »
Sorry for the bad shot, bad explanations.
My Internet connection is very bad, shot in a small format so that I can more easily released.
I live in a small village in Serbia, near the river Drina.
Here is a very bad connection.
The pictures are very clear, but the frame shown is DB, the torus.
Cable length corresponds to a beekeeper who has special hive.
The video frames uncovered small DB.