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« on: November 11, 2011, 10:17:16 AM »

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/israel-strike-iran-nuclear/2011/11/10/id/417580?s=al&promo_code=D7B9-1
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 10:21:27 AM »

as much as i hate to see this, they are going to have to do something.  Iran is the one country that i believe will use a nuke if they have one.  i just hope Israel has not waited to long....
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2011, 10:05:40 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2011, 08:08:24 PM »

Think this is related? Maybe a little Israeli SF action here?

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-world/20111112/ML.Iran.Explosion/
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2011, 08:11:41 PM »

More like someone smoking in a no smoking zone.   

But Israel does have a history of preemptive strikes, so odds are they may do something, if they think they can get away with it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 08:59:22 AM »

I don't think for one second they are worried if they can get away with it.  Their goal will be to stop the program at all costs.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 06:04:36 PM »

I agree and well they should...  the aftermath will not be pretty because the idiot we have squatting in the White House will not want to back Israel.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 08:33:42 AM »

TBH I expected them to hit Iran last year. IMO they have waited long enough for the UN to do anything about it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 09:11:26 AM »

yup.  and i thing we have seen enough times where waiting on the UN only leads to a longer and harder war.  the IAEA was not an honest agency under Mohamed ElBaradei.  some say he was incompetent, but i don't think so.  i think the lies were deliberate.  the fact that the UN couldn't be trusted in this, was a contributing factor when debating the iraq war.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 08:42:53 AM »

I am beginning to think that the weapons error that killed a bunch of the Iranian Guard was not an accident, one dude was a bigshot in missile technology, and I guess they have been hit with another computer virus recently.  Maybe it was a beam weapon that set off the explosion?  They do exist now at least on aircraft.  Not sure if they can put in stealth aircraft?

So, maybe they already are attacking?  Hmm food for thought. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2011, 10:00:12 AM »

the Israelis are very good at infiltration.  + you have to figure that there are Iranians who are not to thrilled with the idea of starting a nuclear war. they are not all nuts.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2011, 12:15:29 PM »

the Israelis are very good at infiltration.  + you have to figure that there are Iranians who are not to thrilled with the idea of starting a nuclear war. they are not all nuts.
But the ones running the show are.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2011, 12:20:28 PM »

agreed.  my point was that there might be Iranians that would help Israel in this effort, or engage in sabotage on their own.  the idea of shooting off nukes might scare the pants off one or two of them....
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 08:08:56 AM »

I think it would be very few Iranians that would help.  They live in a very restricted world and it is controlled with fear and it all is a Muslim world over there.  Israelites are their sworn enemies.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 11:34:26 AM »

jack, you are probably correct.  it would only take one or two in the right place though.  not everyone can be thrilled with the idea of the middle east turning into a sheet of glass...
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2011, 03:17:10 PM »

Here is how this will happen mark my words.  More sanctions will be imposed on Iran.  The people of Iran will suffer at the hands of the government and the nuclear program will move forward.  They will get a nuke and do exactly what North Korea does huff and puff until they are paid off.  Isreal probably isn't going to do a thing considering there is more support here for a strike on Iran then in Isreal.  If Iran does decide to make a move to set off a nuke then really the only country that can make a move to do something would be China.  I really don't see them getting involved as they take a hands off approach to everything that isn't a direct interest to them.  So in the end your going to see the rest of the world putting pennies together that they don't have to pay off Iran. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2011, 03:23:41 PM »

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nope, the motivations are completely different.  N Korea is motivated by communist paranoia.  Iran is motivated by religious zealotry.  huge difference in what they want and what they might do.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 09:22:59 AM »

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nope, the motivations are completely different.  N Korea is motivated by communist paranoia.  Iran is motivated by religious zealotry.  huge difference in what they want and what they might do.

Oh I agree, they are by far more dangerous than N. Korea.  They kill because the religion tells them they must eliminate the 'infidels" and to be a good religious person they must do so.  Very spooky, very spooky indeed.  Time to stock up on more ammunition, good as money in the future.

Edit:  Oh, and let us not forget that lying to 'infidels' is okey dokey in their belief system.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2011, 10:01:01 AM »

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They kill because the religion tells them they must eliminate the 'infidels" and to be a good religious person they must do so.

in this case, they are even worse.  they are 12ers.  they wait for the return of the Mahdi....or not, since he has apparently returned, the appearance of the Mahdi.
do some research.  it's some scary stuff going on over there.
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2011, 05:49:26 PM »

Kathy religion plays a part but most of the mess going on with Iran right now is over a natural gas pipeline.  Haliburton is trying to build a pipeline through Afghanistan into Pakistan from the Caspian Sea.  Iran has a counter proposal in to build one from Iran to Pakistan.  In the end it's all political posturing to see who can puff out their chest the most.  We may go to war with Iran but if we do I suspect the reasons will be crony capitalism.  We get fed a lot of bull in this country about Iran but in the end it's all about the money for both sides.  Get the crony capitalism out of the way and I would be willing to bet we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2011, 08:12:12 PM »

Carter should have taken out Iran when they gave him a good excuse to do it. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2011, 08:34:21 PM »

hankdog, that story has been around for at least 10 years.  Iran is unique even among Muslim countries because of their extreme belief system.  while another country might create and hold nukes as a threat, Iran is the one country that would believe they were fulfilling prophecy by using them.  are the people in charge that nuts?  i'd like to hope not, but by their own words they believe that the end is near and the only reason the Mahdi has not appeared is that the world does not yet need him to step in and fix the chaos.
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2011, 01:16:22 PM »

Well here is the way I look at it.  I see why you feel the way you do on the subject but the conclusion I've came to on it is that we are being manipulated.  We were manipulated into believing that weapons of mass distruction were in Iraq.  Just one of many examples in recent history that makes me question all the hype about Iran.  When you look at how much we have been lied to makes you question everything.  Lord knows they sure as heck aren't serving our best interests in D.C.  Don't be surprised though if all this is propaganda and we all end up ticked off in the end for being dooped.  I do still see it playing out much like North Korea all about the $$$.  Besides if Iran does decide to use nukes they will end up being glassed and nobody will be alive to tell us why they made the move. 
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2011, 01:33:36 PM »

Einstein & Oppenheimer understood the consequences of nuclear power and even predicted the history of the future for generations!
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2011, 01:57:52 PM »

there are probably more positives to the development of nuke tech than negatives...until bombs are dropped.  consider all the medial advances, clean power, etc.  none of that would have been possible without that initial development for war.  almost everything has a dark side. it's all in how you use it.

almost all our great advances have come out of trying to conquer something, whether it's space, housework, or each other.
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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2011, 04:32:22 PM »

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Well here is the way I look at it.  I see why you feel the way you do on the subject but the conclusion I've came to on it is that we are being manipulated.  We were manipulated into believing that weapons of mass distruction were in Iraq.  Just one of many examples in recent history that makes me question all the hype about Iran.  When you look at how much we have been lied to makes you question everything.  Lord knows they sure as heck aren't serving our best interests in D.C.  Don't be surprised though if all this is propaganda and we all end up ticked off in the end for being dooped.  I do still see it playing out much like North Korea all about the $$$.  Besides if Iran does decide to use nukes they will end up being glassed and nobody will be alive to tell us why they made the move.


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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2011, 09:53:31 AM »

 Report: Hundreds of N. Koreans Work on Iran’s Nukes

North Korean nuclear and missile experts have been sent to Iran to help Tehran’s nuclear weapons development program, according to a diplomatic source.

“Hundreds of North Korean nuclear and missile engineers have been working at more than 10 sites [in Iran], including Natanz and Qom,” the source told South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency.

According to Yonhap, the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, “has a track record of accurate information.”

“The North Koreans are visiting Iran via third countries and many of them are being rotated in every three to six months,” the diplomatic source disclosed.

“The North Korean experts are from the country’s so-called Room 99, which is directly supervised by the North’s ruling Workers’ Party Munitions Industry Department.” Room 99 “is widely believed to be engaged in exports of weapons and military technology.”

A South Korean official said the source’s allegations are “not a matter that the government can officially confirm.”

But reports surfaced late last year that Mohammad Reza Heydari, a former Iranian diplomat who defected to the West earlier in 2010, said he saw many North Korean technicians in Iran between 2002 and 2007 working on the country’s nuclear program, according to Yonhap.

North Korea conducted nuclear tests in 2006 and 2009, and both Pyongyang and Iran are under United Nations sanctions for their nuclear programs.

Reacting to the Yonhap report, the Iranian embassy in South Korea told the agency it “categorically rejects such allegations,” calling the report a “sheer lie and blatant accusation” against Iran.

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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2011, 07:28:30 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-threatens-hit-turkey-us-israel-attack-153655802.html

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will target NATO's missile defense installations in Turkey if the U.S. or Israel attacks the Islamic Republic, a senior commander of Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard said Saturday.

Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Guards' aerospace division, said the warning is part of a new defense strategy to counter what he described as an increase in threats from the U.S. and Israel.

Tensions have been rising between Iran and the West since the release of a report earlier this month by the International Atomic Energy Agency that said for the first time that Tehran was suspected of conducting secret experiments whose sole purpose was the development of nuclear arms.

The U.S. and its Western allies suspect Iran of trying to produce atomic weapons, and Israel, which views Tehran as an existential threat, has warned of a possible strike on Iran's nuclear program. Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.

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