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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 12:51:47 AM » |
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Very likely another $500 million we’ll never see again…. Wonder if Finski knows where this place is located? Maybe he’s making our next car!!!!I bet it will be well insulated if so  The reason GM and Chrysler went bankrupt is because the auto industry requires huge amounts of capital to run for even one day. That requires huge volumes of sales to remain in business. When there is no market for your cars, or the criminals on Wall Street kill the credit market, sales stop and auto companies quickly run out of working capital and have to go bankrupt. I feel the odds are much greater those two companies will run out of capital long before they are a viable profitable entity. When you run out of capital you go bankrupt. See DeLorean! Tesla might get bought out by somebody like Toyota and survive as a name, but my bet is Fisker and our $500 million is toast. What a waste of money. |
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 07:08:38 AM » |
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Very likely another $500 million we’ll never see again….
Its just A mearican tax money  A mear 500 Million at that This group spends and gives away our money like its worthless Which, I feel is their Plan  US dollar = .25 before he gets out of the Big House JMHO Tommyt |
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 08:14:53 AM » |
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That's refreshing! Finally!
It is a loan, and the company is NOT in the business of failing. That's different! Perhaps the ol' government finally made a loan that will be paid back!! Not that they should be in the lending business. Although some brilliant bureaucrat will probably still do a stock trade for payback and we'll still end up with zero, just to keep their record going.
Last time they made a loan like that to an american company, we ended up with a big ZERO!! (solyndra) Finland is better than California. Chronic warm sunny weather must make people stupid.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 09:43:36 AM » |
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bluebee i want you to sit before you read any farther. i agree with you. well, almost all of what you wrote. just... the criminals on Wall Street kill the credit market might be something to require clarification. |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 09:45:27 AM » |
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scads, much of what we didn't get back for GM was supposed to be loans also. all the loans that these kids don't want to pay back are not government loans through management and guarantee.
loaning money is another way of controlling outcome.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 10:21:17 AM » |
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Out of 192 countries in the world, we give money to 150 of them. Now that's disgusting
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 11:04:58 AM » |
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"""bluebee i want you to sit before you read any farther. i agree with you. well, almost all of what you wrote. just... Quote
the criminals on Wall Street kill the credit market might be something to require clarification.""" DITTO.... Dang, did it really freeze over?  |
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 11:11:59 AM » |
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Darn it's geting cold Thank's iddee
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Fight organized crime! Re-elect no one.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 06:30:59 PM » |
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or it slows the blood flow to the point no oxygen reaches the brain. your choice |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 08:25:31 PM » |
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I’m still convinced that if we had a REAL democracy in this country (as opposed to our pseudo version via representation) this kind of stuff would NEVER get passed by the people. We’re broke, why on God’s green (and blue) Earth are we giving everybody ELSE money?
While we’ll always have some differences in opinion, there are things like this that I’m convinced the VAST majority of voters would agree on and never approve.
Can we add REAL democracy to the Occupy Wall Street list of demands?
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 08:34:20 PM » |
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real democracy leads to oppression of the minority. is that what you really want? real democracy is just as destructive as a totalitarian government. it is just subject to the whims of the mob rather than the whims of one.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2011, 08:56:41 PM » |
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Also with a democracy, we would never get anything passed (which might be good). Can you imagine voting on crap every weekend. And would you be educated on everything you were voting on to vote right?
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2011, 09:20:52 PM » |
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And would you be educated on everything you were voting on to vote right? great point. i wonder how many people can name their state reps and local pols, judges, and congressmen off the top of their heads? probably not many. if people don't get educated on what/who they vote for now, hard to think they'd do it on every issue. |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2011, 09:27:47 PM » |
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Yep, here’s our representatives getting “educated” during session. Please, give us REAL people a little more credit! Edit....I just removed the link to the photo since it started showing a big green face with it's tongue out! There is a copy at this website: http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/solitaire.aspAnyways the photo showed some legislators hard at work playing solitaire on their computers while in session. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 11:02:33 PM » |
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what do you bet they were re-elected after this? i don't know who they are. would be interesting to see what has become of them.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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