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« on: October 03, 2011, 11:54:45 PM »

Thought you all might enjoy this as much as I do - it is amazing how the members of our forum can weed out people like this one, which so often makes our jobs easier. Somehow, Scrapiron didn't make it to the scrap heap in the banned list - sometimes we are just happy to see them go away, but "do to my mailing tonight concerning our Facebook Page" he rose to the top like a floater in a toilet bowl and sputtered out these final words:

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Blahh Haa Haa Haa. Please cancel my account, and take me off your mailing list. I will not be back. Your "forum" is the worst for any Beek trying to learn, and gives Beekeeping a bad image. I will stick to Beesource, and Homesteading Today. May not be as busy as yours, but at least everyone acts like adults and people can learn.

Some people arent out for the title of "Worlds Greatest Beek"... I just want my bees to survive winter. Good Luck with your POS forum.

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Well... isn't that special - lol. I guess POS doesn't stand for Power of Suggestion or Point of Sale - heehee

I know this made some of yours day, as well as it made mine. I Left Beesource in there because it is a fine forum and to edit its name would do it disjustice. I think it funny Scrapiron doesn't realize how many members we share between the two forums. I have always said that there is plenty of room for unlimited beekeeping forums on the Web - he just don't get it.

By the Way, the mailing added way over 67 new members to the Official Beemaster Facebook Page", what a cool thing to do in just one day. Bravo and thanks to all Smiley

Now.... where is that ban button??? Oh yeah... there it is grin




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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 12:17:39 AM »

That was funny.

If memory serves, this was the guy that was trying to teach us what a “troll” is by being a troll!  

He's going to need a change of attitude or he’ll get banned everywhere else too.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 06:11:15 AM »

<I guess POS doesn't stand for Power of Suggestion or Point of Sale - heehee>
beemaster....
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  rainbow sunflower POS Positively Outstanding Service Just my $0.02


   BEE HAPPY Jim 134 Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 12:02:27 PM »

That was funny.

If memory serves, this was the guy that was trying to teach us what a “troll” is by being a troll!  

Your Memory Bluebee is fine. I had a vision of Wile E. Coyote (super genius) standing there, taking off one troll suit and there was another one underneath that one, and on and on - they just keep coming like tissues in a Kleen-x box - lol.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 01:15:03 PM »

I just dont understand the attitudes of some people, new to a hobby, that comes to a website wanting help, info, etc and then coming off like they have. Before I even registered, I visited the site often to try to get a feel of how to do things and the feel of the members as well. I watched your video (John-Beemaster) on how to install a package at least 20 times before I even ordered my first one or made my first post. Theres one in every crowd, forum etc...hate to see any amount of controversy-my real job gives me enough of that. Theres a huge difference between discussions, debates and just all out b.s.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 04:52:02 PM »

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Totally understand how you need to kill the work switch when you leave, taking any of it home is pulling over-time you aren't getting paid for. I must be honest, I was disappointed when you couldn't make it to Bud3, I remember the reason and family always comes first, but I thought we'd of had a great time chatting across a table.

As Admin, I've seen a lot of "types" come and go here. The embedded troll type, someone from somewhere else trying to look like a good guy and turn into a beast over-night is most apparent, honestly though I don't think he was one of those - I just believe some people are unstable and have a short trigger to match, that is a terrible combination in a forum.

I don't feel too bad for these people, because usually they show their true colors quite fast, rarely do they make it a hundred posts and in most cases, the barely see 40.

The worse and saddest to see leave is the long term members that all of a sudden lose it. It is a tough move to make because chances are they have friends here, supporters, people who can't see clearly the mess the long-timer is digging. It makes it difficult for mods to handle because it's very difficult to even imagine some going from a few thousand posts to an evil swamp slug over night, but it happens and honestly - unless the violations are extremely egregious, few people are going to understand how we justify slamming on the brakes as hard as we often need to do.

This group of mods we have are amazing in that EACH has full power to do as they see fit and NO ONE will argue their decision. At the same time, if time allows, we all ask each other for input in case our own thinking is compromised because of anything that could cloud our judgment. It is a system that has worked for years and it is also something that members have generally accepted as decisions made with thought and care and not irrationally or hastily. That acceptance by the members is a trust that mods take with great pride and we do our best to always do the right thing.

I'm just glad to state that the need for us to meet concerning such matters are rare, and oddly fall around the "Cabin Fever" season we mention so often - the lax time of year when there is nothing in the bee-yard to do and some members have little else to keep their minds busy, so tensions build and the words just flow out the ends of their fingers into the keyboard like lightning striking trees.

I know you have heard a lot of this before, but other readers haven't and it couldn't hurt to repeat that anything that negatively effect members are a concern of ours. We aren't like an on-call fire department, lying in bed ready to jump into our boots, we have real lives but we've also dedicated a great deal of time to make this forum the best it can be for the members.

Sure, life could be easy and we just toss out all the rules out the window, but that isn't our goal, nor will it ever. Making a safe place for anyone seeking a friendly place to come in to, from out in the cold of the Internet is our goal. I'm happy to say I know of several members who have NEVER posted outside of the Coffee House, their interest in beekeeping comes second to their socializing found here. That is why we have so many topics other than beekeeping - giving members a place to share all their ideas without having to belong to a dozen different forums is a great asset to the members, one I use frequently myself.

Enough though, I'll end with the final number of new Facebook members to Beemaster's International Forum with a whopping number of 72 new members in one day - wow!  A simple request about Facebook lead to a humorous reply from Scrapirion, all and all - a wonderful day!
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 06:00:57 PM »

""The worse and saddest to see leave is the long term members that all of a sudden lose it. It is a tough move to make because chances are they have friends here, supporters, people who can't see clearly the mess the long-timer is digging. It makes it difficult for mods to handle because it's very difficult to even imagine some going from a few thousand posts to an evil swamp slug over night, but it happens and honestly - unless the violations are extremely egregious, few people are going to understand how we justify slamming on the brakes as hard as we often need to do.""

WOW! I didn't realize I had sunken that far. I better start watching myself.  shocked
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 07:50:10 PM »

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iddee, we'll have to start a support group.  12 steps to get over being and evil swamp slug..... evil
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 09:09:56 PM »

I seem to remember banning myself for a week for breaking the rules (I'm sure many of you remember too) it was fir the obvious reasons, 1) I deserved it and 2) no one is above the rules.

I agree Iddee... Anyone can snap when something triggers life's buttons. The fine line of admining is to see who can be salvaged with warnings and hopefully (you leaned toward this) intervention using friends who may talk the member off the edge.

I hope we never need an anger management forum - I'm sure someone can suggest hundreds if we really need them. I just hope that warnings and asking the member to reread their posts from a neutral prospective is enough, but seems that only a fraction can be saved - usually when someone hs gone as far as need a warning, they have already made up their mind.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 09:40:14 PM »

Yeah, Kathy, I'm afraid one day Beemaster is going to start a new forum. It will be the time-out forum. He will send you, me, and a few others over there for a time-out, like the kindergarten teachers do.  shocked shocked shocked grin

And John, I know I break the rule about not responding to trouble makers. I can't help it. It's just one of my weaknesses.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 11:39:13 PM »

If you behave, no time out is needed  grin
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 11:49:50 PM »

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iddee, we'll have to start a support group.  12 steps to get over being and evil swamp slug..... evil

"Evil Swamp Slug" !!! I like that.... might have to change my screen name to that.  Kinda ftting living herein muddy Mississippi
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 12:21:17 AM »

you have been gone a long time.  what have you been up to?
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 11:35:32 AM »

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Nope, we will just threaten you with a handful of salt Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 12:25:41 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2011, 12:48:21 PM »

Mike (Beee Farmer) good to see you too.

Feel free to use "Evil Swamp Slug" License free It's the least I could do for the coo Indiana Jones Hat you gave me Smiley

Iddee... Stop giving me ideas - lol. I can relate a timeout for with Redemption Isle on Survivor and it sound very tempting  locked
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 08:43:52 AM »

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Somehow, Scrapiron didn't make it to the scrap heap in the banned list - sometimes we are just happy to see them go away, but "do to my mailing tonight concerning our Facebook Page" he rose to the top like a floater in a toilet bowl and sputtered out these final words:

 I think he liked me   grin
I have to admit,I couldn't get the too work for about a week,he was the start of it.
My apologies to all who got caught up in it, excluding scrap-ola
I now keep the ointment next to the key board grin

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