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« on: October 07, 2011, 07:54:34 AM »

What are some of yalls thoughts on the protest that are showing up in America mainly New York? I think a lot of it is misinformed  people but I think also some are Americans who are frustrated and feel hopeless. I saw the media labeled them the anti tea party. I think that was the worst label or it means it is a socialist movement. I have noticed a lot of signs that seem to lean toward asking the govt for help for social programs, not crazy about that......

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 09:37:58 AM »

Follow the money. Most of which is coming from Soros, MoveOn.org (also Soros), and big labor. It's all trying to make it look like a groundswell of support for Obama's class warfare and to get him elected.

And labor unions are being idiots on this one. If they get what they want, stocks will take a huge hit and that will hurt their members' pension plans.

As for Soros, he's in it for the money. He has a pattern of stirring up things and causing all sorts of collapses and calamities and then profiting on the short sell of stocks and currencies then buying in at a bargin on the restructuring of a company, country, or currency.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 12:01:27 PM »

yeah, they got the whole far left bunch in with them.  got pols calling this our "arab fall".

i support peaceful protest...even from the loony left  grin  so far, most of this has been peaceful.  some property damage here in portland, but not nearly what was expected.  bits of run-ins with cops here and there, but not to bad.  have to say...knowing who's involved...i'n not sure wheather to be surprised, or nervous!

what is really interesting is the contrast in reporting and pol reaction between this and the tea party rallies.  pretty much lets you know where the press stands, if you didn't already.  of course the knew what the pols would say.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 12:17:21 PM »

Sounds to me like OCCUPY is against just the kind of things that Soros has done! 

Let’s hope Michael Moore doesn’t end up in jail.  I hear he was down there protesting for a while.

VP Biden seemed to suggest that OCCUPY = TEA the other day.  Then again, he has really said some odd things recently.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 12:30:30 PM »

Then again, he has really said some odd things recently.

Ha ha!  Recently?  The guy's always been a random odd saying generator!! rolleyes
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 02:02:20 PM »

soros is against much of what soros has done.  he has made money in a capitalist society that he detests....as have many of the rich libs who now want to redistribute our income and make things "fair". 

this has always been true of the communists.  look how many of those who led communist revolutions were wealthy and educated.  they never suffered...everyone else did.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 03:04:23 PM »

I dont even look at that dribble unless you are willing to tote a gun for your beliefs then I dont think you really believe the bull you are selling. Just like the nuts that tell me the system is all going to collapse yeah right if so then it would be in ones best interest to borrow as much uncollateralized money as possible and buy tangible goods. I mean if you believe that we will all be killing each other for food whats screwing over a lender now. Most start back treading when I say that but I mean really if you believe there is no tomorrow then a hamburg today sounds great.

So my finial word on this give them guns if they want a revolution give them guns I dont mind a fight.

Soros thinks he is god what he protest for and what he believes can be to different things. I knew his name long ago in business school before the media blitz on him. He was the example my professor used for unethical actions in finance.

We always have a problem of people making great amounts of wealth and then wanting to close the door behind themselves so no one else can obtain the same level of wealth. It was the only logical reason for the death tax when that tax was created they feared that the Rockefellers of the day would pressure to change laws to make it hard to obtain the same wealth they had but allowing them to keep what they had already obtained them selves. Hence the death tax so that the next generations would loss at least half of what the previous had made requiring the rich to leave the back door open for their children to regrow the wealth.  

Socialism and communism are just tools of the rich to try and close the back door. But the same could be said about every form of government.

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 03:23:39 PM »

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Socialism and communism are just tools of the rich to try and close the back door.

i would amend that to leftist rich.  conservative rich think the door should be wide open so that all have the opportunity to walk through with them.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 04:34:54 PM »

Keep drinking that kool-aid Kathyp.
Conservative rich want the back door closed just as much as liberal rich. I would say other than on social laws like drugs and abortion the rich are the rich on either side of the line. Now I am not talking about a guy that just got a million. I am talking about the real play makers. Soros pulls in around a billion a year.

I can prove that the rich want to be the only one rich. Lets say we all make a billion a year hot cookies we are all rich now. Wait a second or are we all average or maybe poor whats the cost of bread now darn it we are all equal.

Without the rich there is no poor and with out the poor there is no rich. It is basic human nature to want to protect your family and with the system we have in place that means obtaining more money than your neighbor.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 05:29:48 PM »

The desire to better ones circumstances is what has given the US one of the best standards of living in the world.If it were not for the leftists wanting to redistribute the wealth to those that do not strive to better their situation through hard work,we would all be enjoying a better standard of living.
Instead,the libs have created a dependency class of people that think they can not do better for them selves than they can do living off of the system. They have removed all incentives for these people to bring their selves above the fold.
And it is so easy for these people to protest the system that just has not given them enough.For some, all is not enough.
Go figure, a person that works hard for several years,80 to 90 hours a week,makes risky investments with what he has earned,and has been rewarded for his tenacity,should be punished to give to those who don't care to go to all that trouble.
 I don't know about any one else,but I have never seen a poor person provide work(jobs) for others. Other than bureaucrats signing these people up for someone elses' wealth.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 05:32:07 PM »

Slamming the door shut on others seeking to create wealth is detrimental to the growth of other wealthy people. Welthy people often invest in other up and comers to maintain their wealth.
Most wealthy keep reinvesting to make their wealth grow. It doesn't just fall from the sky.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2011, 08:04:04 PM »

These protesters are the new age communist party (even though most are too young to realize it and are just out there having fun).
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 08:12:21 PM »

if you look at almost all of the communist revolutions they started with some form of popular protest against the wealthy, the land owners, the business owners....in short order they were co-opted and organized by Marxist leaders. those Marxist leaders are often disguised as union leaders, and community leaders. 
the popular protest becomes the vehicle for causing such disruption that the system breaks.  there is a formula to this and it has been successful done many times.  same with the german fascist revolution which was really no different than a good communist revolution...even though one of the things they were supposed to be fighting was the "reds".


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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 09:18:23 PM »

Occupy Protests : gimme more gimme more

Tea Party Protests : stop taking so much, stop taking so much

I'd say the occupy protests are pretty much the anti-Tea Party, that's a good analogy.

Interesting to compare the two, from what I've seen: 
rebellious youth, long/colored hair, tattoos, nudity, trying to break the law, unions

Versus middle-class families, normal people in decent clothes(non-rebellious clothes, that is) who take along their normal kids and try to stay out of trouble yet get their message across.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 09:55:42 PM »

Recent news stories about labor unions hiring homeless people to put on protests...
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2011, 10:09:40 PM »

one of the guys at the DC rally said he paid Hispanics to attend.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/06/organizer-admits-to-paying-occupy-dc-protesters-video/
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2011, 10:17:14 PM »

I don't think any reasonable person objects to someone working and creating personal wealth.  It is when that someone steals or cheats or scams others for that wealth that reasonable people become upset.  Life isn't about who has the most, rather who needs the least.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2011, 10:29:15 PM »

redistribution is a form of theft.  let the courts deal with those who steal.
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2011, 06:29:48 AM »

All societies redistribute wealth.  If they didn't, all the money would end up in the hands of a few rich families and corporations.  

The most successful societies are the ones that redistribute the most while still leaving the engine of free enterprise intact.  Except for a couple of oil states where wealth is based on the temporary extraction of raw materials, the highest quality of life is in countries that have high taxes and  reinvest the money in building the structure of the country.  

The life of the average person (actually I mean the person who makes the median income)  in Sweden is better than the life of the average person in the US.  The Swedish GDP has grown more(on a percentage basis) than the US GDP since 1980.

At the time that America was building itself.... creating the infrastructure and educational system that made wealth possible.... I'm talking the 1950s-1970s ....    the top marginal tax rate was between 50 and 85 percent.  
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2011, 10:16:13 AM »

...i tried to post from my phone yesterday, but it apparantly didn't go through.

the boston protesters came through our market last friday (i filmed it...one person with some official protest tshirt and a bull horn came by and bought a pricey jar of honey afterwards)...now they are getting electricity and trash removal provided by the city to camp out in a park that is closed at sunset...not to mention that any other group would require a permit.
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....a very small number of protesters came back yesterday (like 50 or so)...they were anti-capitalist types....chanting "out of the stores and into the streets....who's streets?  OUR STREETS!"

personally, not very moved by what i've seen....i see an echo of the obama campaign...."change" "reform" "improvement" all mean different things to different people...when these ambiguous wants become the rallying cry, everyone shouting has a different idea over what the meaning of the slogan is.  it's especially "interesting" to be at a market where i stand for 9 hours selling honey and have people (who are not working...and who are doing something other than trying to make a living) protest.

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