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« Reply #240 on: January 21, 2012, 08:58:00 AM »

 applause applause applause applause applause applause applause applause applause applause applause applause

If we line up enough of them, gave them some gray worker uniforms, they would kind of remind me of the commie, socialist workers of the past. I guess that is what some want today. Everyone equal, no differences for effort, hard work, risk  or reward, and except for the elite rulers, a system where everyone marchers to the same tune.

For some on here, I am sure that would be Utopia!
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« Reply #241 on: January 21, 2012, 11:52:43 AM »

 lau  lau  I love all the self-promoting applause rolleyes

The 'assumptions' (and many of the assertions) made on this thread are hilarious to say the least, whether about my 'assumed' viewpoints, opinions, political beliefs, or the world of politics in general.  Its only to clear why we have the troubles we currently struggle with.  This thread is a microcosm of America Sad

Seems apparent some of the JBS are salivating over their biggest 'claim to fame' w/ the overtly ignorant and dangerous McCarthy (who made his mark calling others what he really was).  Yeah that's right, we want McCarthy back rolleyes.  Funny thing is, some from the GOP sound alot like that punk  these days  Undecided

I thought this thread was about the 'Republican Front Runner' (I can chew on the Dems too if it pleases you sterling, the assumption that I'm somehow a dem is ridicules).

Too funny.....stomach hurts........oh boy we are so doomed...........divided...and dooooomed...oh my, oh my.

C' mon $10.00 gas cool.  Can't wait.

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« Reply #242 on: January 21, 2012, 12:02:28 PM »

That is the answer.....  lau
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« Reply #243 on: January 21, 2012, 12:19:38 PM »

>>Everyone equal, no differences for effort, hard work, risk  or reward, and except for the elite rulers, a system where everyone marchers to the same tune.

MY BIGGEST FEAR! The above quote could also be a snapshot of AMERICA 100 yrs ago! IMO: there is no difference between absolute capitalism and absolute communism.

I tend to believe a LITTLE more socialism would be better for this country.

Socialism: eg, TVA, CCC, WPA

 Capital punishment is as fundamentally wrong as a cure for crime as charity is wrong as a cure for poverty.
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« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2012, 12:53:52 PM »

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really?

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sure, because extending a depression with government largess is always a good idea.  and tell me again...where does that government money come from?

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ah.  quoting the anti-semitic nazi supporter.  yes...fascism is also a good cure.  crony capitalism to the max.

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yes, by the individual, not by the government....
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« Reply #245 on: January 21, 2012, 02:32:39 PM »

Corporatism is merely one 'branch' of fascism.  Our American version has heavy doses of plutocracy thrown in for good measure. 

Modern day capitalism, as practiced throughout the world today (plutocratic corporatism), is really just modern day slavery, minus the room and board in most cases.

German (and quite a bit of American, albeit you gotta seek it out) history explains how easily the masses are motivated/manipulated when 'hard times' seem to become the norm or are predicted to become so. 

Its also the period when its easiest and most historically predictable for those who are so easily moved, to blame those 'less fortunate' for our ills, instead of the real culprits.  "Blinded by the Right, er, I mean Light grin "

This is certainly no accident.  Those truly in power have had lots of practice over the last 2000 years.  Unfortunately while the powerful got progressively better at manipulating the masses ((baaaa-baaaa) too many modern day people still rely primarily on their reptilian brains, which makes us 'all' vulnerable when we experience largely manufactured (for profit for the few), hard times (for the many).

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« Reply #246 on: January 21, 2012, 02:55:42 PM »

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by definition, only when it's in bed with the government.

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German (and quite a bit of American, albeit you gotta seek it out) history explains how easily the masses are motivated/manipulated when 'hard times' seem to become the norm or are predicted to become so.


pre ww2 german history is a lesson in crony capitalism.  it is how Hitler got his early power with banks and industry.

true capitalism functions absent government interference and manipulation.  we have not practiced true capitalism in this country (for the most part) for a long time.  there is very little business does that is not regulated or manipulated by the government.  the use of lobbyist would end if the interference by government through regulations ended.
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« Reply #247 on: January 21, 2012, 04:50:15 PM »

Once again the choice of candidates is likely to be determined by three states. I doubt there will be more than two left by the time the PA primary is held.
I will not get to make my selection from the initial group. Perhaps states need to move their primaries closer together to get the true pulse of the nation.
Heck,we don't get to vote until a month after Super Tuesday.
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« Reply #248 on: January 21, 2012, 05:02:01 PM »

That's no accident buzzbee;  Lets not be fooled.  

Corporations already own us, our government and our Country, lock, stock and barrel.  At least until we take it back and stop doing their bidding for them.  

We need only look to Wall Street and a Supreme Court Decision that granted citizenship (humanity) to entities that cannot be jailed for their crimes regardless of how many are harmed or how few are enriched at the expense of those harmed.  See the cat?  

How about PAC's and those Super PACs?  How do those entities level the playing for average citizens?  Can't wait to see the answer to this rolleyes

Now that's some 'real' power man.  

Even following the money is pointless anymore.  No one cares.  Everyone (well lets just say there's a lot) already knows the game is played/rigged against the people, all except for those still trying to join up and still believing they'd even be accepted.  

That pretty much says it all IMO.

Even in your explanation you omitted the obvious comparison kathyP; Are we to assume you believe that 'only' government (us) is in charge and therefore solely responsible, and that's why so many want to replace it?  

Replace it w/ what?  More of the same IMO.  

Few of the GOP Stars are offering anything that will help this Country.  Simply put they (and their Dem counterparts)don't care about this Country.  They don't care about you or me.  They only care about themselves and what they can take today and tommorrow for them and theirs.  You know, 'true' reptiles.  

I've had the pleasure  rolleyes of associating w/ way too many of them over the years and I still prefer skid row Smiley

Your own words kathyp; "it is how Hitler got his early power with banks and industry"  

So, that's Government (Hitler), Industry (corporations) and Banks, all sleeping together, just like America, past and present c-2012.  Very similar circumstances indeed, and for all to see.  

Americans are no where near 'uncomfortable' enough to do anything substantial or meaningful about any of this ..............yet.
 
Shall we include some similar 'false flag' ops as well?  NOT!

It is most assuredly correct;  All three must be in cahoots (in bed together) to make the real money and keep the people fooled, tooled, complacent and divided at all costs.  

Happy to see so many doing their parts so well rolleyes  Just as Orwell predicted.

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« Reply #249 on: January 21, 2012, 05:25:39 PM »

Well T,
If I had as little faith in the will of the American people and the hopelessness of returning to the principles of our founding fathers,I would probably not get up at all in the morning.
I know many  that still get ahead in this world through hard work.
Not an endorsement for Newt,but he was right when he spoke of needing citizens to be more self reliant than dependent on big government.You know,the quote about the food stamp President.
I think the truly self reliant that look to going to work every day are fed up with the goverments' redistribution of wealth.People can still set their own destiny if not forced to pay the way of others that choose to take the easy way out.
There will always be truly needy in this country that we can afford to care for,but the system in place has created a society of needy by choice. When more people realize this,as long as they don't become the largest voting block,it can be changed.
Give powers back to the states and away from the central government and it will make great strides in correcting the problem.





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« Reply #250 on: January 21, 2012, 05:32:07 PM »

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not true.  corporations can certainly be taken to court and guilty indivisibles can certainly be jailed.  may i suggest that if the government were not regulating the crap out of business, then business might not feel the need to be involved in politics?  after all, what would be the point if government had no involvement in business.  it wouldn't matter to them who won or lost.  since that is not the case, can you blame them for wanting to get into it?

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How about PAC's and those Super PACs?  How do those entities level the playing for average citizens?  Can't wait to see the answer to this

another example of the government trying to "fix" things.  

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Even in your explanation you omitted the obvious comparison kathyP; Are we to assume you believe that 'only' government (us) is in charge and therefore solely responsible, and that's why so many want to replace it?  


i'm not sure exactly what you are asking?  you already know what i want.  no, i will not get it, but hopefully i will get a little closer to it.  if not, i'll keep working.

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So, that's Government (Hitler), Industry (corporations) and Banks, all sleeping together, just like America, past and present c-2012.  Very similar circumstances indeed, and for all to see.  


exactly my point.  add to that, we have an executive grabbing unprecedented power for his office.  only a few time have we had something similar.  Wilson would have been one, and FDR another.  with others, you have had one or the other, but not both the massive entanglement with private industry and the power grab.

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Americans are no where near 'uncomfortable' enough to do anything substantial or meaningful about any of this ..............yet.

and the will not.  there is  a large portion of the population that doesn't care as long as they get their stuff.  this is one of the reasons i advocate a flat tax that everyone, no matter income, pays.  you have a large portion of the population that is politically uninvolved.   most don't vote.  many who do, vote according the the latest AARP flier, or the last commercial they saw.  then we have the emotional voters who vote for things like hope and things like change, and have no clue about the person.

so yeah, on this we agree.  we may not agree on how we got here or how to get out, but we agree on where we are....more or less  smiley
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« Reply #251 on: January 21, 2012, 05:32:59 PM »

But as I see it now, there is nobody on the current platform that really excites me that much. Unless one of them shows a true backbone,I'm afraid this will only be an anti-Obama campaign.Nobody has really sent out a grass roots effort to reform Congress and the Executive branch.We also need Congress to do it's job with the Courts legislating from the bench and overseeing the numerous agencies passing laws on their own. Laws are to be passed by Congress and reviewed by the Courts for adherence to the Constitution.
Seems it's easier to blame an agency for a bad law that should have been written by someone who had to sign their name to it.
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« Reply #252 on: January 21, 2012, 05:33:47 PM »

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it would.  hard choices would have to be made and people would pay attention when stuff stopped flowing.  in the long run, it would be better for the states and the entire country.
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« Reply #253 on: January 21, 2012, 10:48:24 PM »

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>>ah.  quoting the anti-semitic nazi supporter.  yes...fascism is also a good cure.  crony capitalism to the max.

Kathyp - did you even read the quote? I sorta thought you might like it? Paraphrase - charity cannot cure poverty

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>>really?

 DON"T own anything and CAN'T own anything, the elite have it all. (remember we are talking absolute)
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« Reply #254 on: January 21, 2012, 11:03:27 PM »

i did read it.  i commented on both, agreeing with the second as long as it applies to the individual and not the state.  it is true that charity is not a solution to poverty.  neither is welfare.  teaching an illiterate adult  to read, as an example, might well be. 

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maybe we define capitalism differently.  i see it as potentially empowering to anyone.  it does require some effort....if you want to be something more than the factory worker, but the opportunity exists if the government is not standing in your way.
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« Reply #255 on: January 30, 2012, 08:03:43 AM »

Will today make Mitt, the heir apparent? Who will be his Running mate?
I'll bet on a Hispanic woman getting the nod.  grin  Are there any available?

Cain?, Bachman?, Palin?
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« Reply #256 on: January 30, 2012, 11:13:30 AM »

again....it could be My Dog Spot and it would be better than what we have.
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« Reply #257 on: January 30, 2012, 11:15:54 AM »

I suppose they could try to drag howdy doody out of retirement.  

I think it’s usually pretty telling about a candidate, who they pick for VP.  The Republicans have picked some real hum dingers over the years haven’t they?  If Romney is wise, he will avoid picking one of the right wing nuts and pick somebody with a strong economic background.  The election will be won or lost on economics.  
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« Reply #258 on: January 30, 2012, 04:10:10 PM »

Its the particular brand of economics we should all be concerned with, and not just the republicans either. 

Party no longer matters despite the rhetoric.  Maintaining the current system at all costs is the priority for both.

Having someone who is at least familiar w/ the economics of Henry George would be a welcome step in the right direction but we in the U.S are lightyears away from that, way behind Denmark, Tiawan, France 1790's, California 1890's, Australia, New Zealand to name but a few. 

We're still just too comfortable.

Since the adaptations of his theories are inevitable worldwide (unless we destroy ourselves first), I say the sooner the better......for everyone.

Of course, we'll have to dispel some of the myths that brought us to this point first, and we all know how hard that can be.

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« Reply #259 on: January 31, 2012, 06:37:17 PM »

>>I'll bet on a Hispanic woman getting the nod.
   OOOPS! Mitt is bragging on his father being born in MEXICO! I just hope Senor Mitt's Spanish is better than W.'s English!

For those who haven't heard: Mitt's Grandfather went to Mexico with his 3 wives to escape religious persecution (from US). George Romney (Mitt's father) was born in Mexico, by default George is an American because: a) his parents were American and b) Mexico does NOT recognize people born in there country of American parents as Citizens of Mexico. They learned there lesson with Texas.

Texas? @%#*&#@$% Would Perry be a good running mate? Quite a balance for Romney. A Romney - Perry ticket at the very least would cut down on the Pepto Bismal sales to the Tea Party. grin
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