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« on: October 03, 2011, 01:39:00 PM »

What do you think of the new 7 passenger Tesla Model S?  Quicker acceleration than a Porsche 911, pure electric, under $50K.

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/tesla-motors-model-s-electric-sedan-will-be-faster-than-porsche-911.html

Why do the Republicans put so much emphasis on “drill baby drill” to solve our oil problems when we can engineer baby engineer?  How many 10s of trillions of $ have we wasted over the past 30 years on oil and protecting oil?  Maybe we should have used all those dollars to engineer solutions instead?
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 02:56:19 PM »

You say under $50,000 like that some kind of a bargain.  I would guess,  other than our trucks, most of us don't pay $50,000 for a vehicle.

It's not that republicans want to drill in place of technology.  It's that we want to drill in addition to technology.  And it's not just republicans, it's a lot of people involved in the oil industry, many of them democrats.  It's also that we want the free market to develop these technologies not the gov't.  When government injects our tax dollars into the industry  they usually make poor choices.  When the free market develops a product they do it because they can provide a product, get it to market, and make a profit.  You can only make a profit if you provide a product that people want and can afford to buy.

We do not currently have a good substitute for oil.  Not only is oil used in fuel, but it is used in the development of many products.

The reason that this current administration and many liberals do not want to drill, is that they believe that if there is not enough oil, or the price is high enough, people will be forced to use new technologies.  to some extent this is true.  However, forcing people to use technologies that are not ready or are very expensive hurts only the economy and the consumer.  In addition, when the government supports financially, technologies that are not ready, money is wasted.

Everyone knows that the first person or company that comes up with a good and affordable substitute for oil will be wealthy.  The market, rather than the government, should determine what comes to us.  When the market determines product not only do we get better product, but we get more affordable product.  and...we get choice.

It is not the job of the Federal government to manipulate consumer behavior.  The current policies are punishing the coal and oil industry.  They have put thousands of people out of work and cost the consumers many millions of dollars, all in support of an agenda. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 03:54:54 PM »

""Maybe we should have used all those dollars to engineer solutions instead?""

One word: SOLYNDRA

That's enough reason to keep the gov. out of private business.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 04:13:48 PM »

Sweet!  Maybe I'll be able to get one in about 15 years when the price drops to $10,000, then I can replace the batteries for a cool $20,000 and a lot of the worn out parts on top of that.

That looks like a really tight fit for 7 people, maybe it will be so snug in there that the kids won't be able to raise their arms in order to hit each other!

These are all nice concepts, and may be the future, but we still need to build a bridge over the gap till we can get there!

Conversely, we can all stop what we're doing, shell over our life savings in order to stay on this side of the gap until they're all ready for us to cross over, but that would be a really really long recession.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 04:32:03 PM »

scads, you shouldn't have such a big family.  you are killing the planet!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 06:47:00 PM »

The last time I looked,most electricity comes from fossil fuels or nuclear.They fail to make this connection when touting electric cars as though electricity just sits in an outlet waiting for us to plug in.
 Imagine the brown and black outs in California if all at once everyone plugged in the electric car. I don't think the power grid in this country will support an electric fleet,and it is awful hard to build a new power plant in this country.
people think nuclear waste is a problem,wait till the large quantity of batteries from electric cars need to be dealt with. Quite a hazard in itself.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 07:10:39 PM »

Something else to think about most of the plastic in cars come from oil.   All oil is not burnt.  It is made into a lot of stuff that we use everyday. 
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