Hello BlueBee! I actually thought the thread was dead, but I see references popping up...
CapnChkn, are you one that instigated that infamous bee hive temp thread! :evil: :) :evil:
Whatever I did, it was not intentional. 2 months earlier I commented in a thread that, "Heat didn't rise, hot AIR rises."
I followed up with, "This is useful for ventilation, but does nothing to keep bees warm. Bees warm the cluster, not the space around it. Being in an enclosed space does more to keep drafts and enemies out rather than act as insulation."
Being new to the forum, and re-learning all the stuff I thought I knew about bees, I didn't know Finski's temperament.
In the posts after that he seemed to verify what I had said. "last winter I had a small 3-frame nuc in firewood shelter. Temp was outside -20C - -30C. When I looked into the nuc. The cluster occupied the half of the space and the rest of space was full of snow which had born from respiration.
The distance between snow and the cluster was 2 inch. I put into the nuc 3W heater to save my nuc.
Actually the snow acts as insulator like snow in eskimo's iglu."
Well, the highest temperature the snow house gets inside is 50℉ (10℃) so they can't be "heating" it very well if there's snow 2 inches from the bees. Thus my metaphor, "The cluster is like a winter coat." You can lay in the snow, sleep in it, or whatever as long as your body core is warm.
I replied I didn't quite understand what his argument was about for the above reasons. He then double posted, lambasting Americans and British beeks. I let it go, my Mother has had a computer for 25 years, and I still have to explain how to save a file because she tunes out the "technical stuff..."
In a later post, the now infamous pie fight
, I state, "It's not possible for the bees to heat the interior of the hive body by default, that would be impractical. It is practical to heat the cluster and assume it will create an environment within the cavity that would be more survivable."
This set Finski off, and he seemed to think I didn't know what the temperature was where I was living. For the next 4 pages he put me, Americans, and anyone who disagreed with him, in a grouchy expletive. I wasn't going to be haunted by anyone! Two months and this guy still has a chip on his shoulder. That was my part in it.
Bottom line is Finski doesn't answer my posts and I don't bother with his. It seems to be our fault for not speaking Finnish or Swedish. He says one thing, then the opposite. He basically ignored what I said, replied to posts I made to other people, and bulled through dissing me all the way.