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Offline Grieth

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Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« on: August 09, 2011, 09:23:45 AM »
Hi,

I am in Melbourne and wondering where I can get hardware cloth (#8, as the US guys recommend) or some equivalent, such as sheeting with holes drilled.  I want something stiffer than fly screen for a screened bottom board or a slid in/out screen to use with a bee vac if I make one.

Anyone got any ideas?
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Of shoes and ships - and sealing wax - of cabbages and kings”
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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 12:09:09 PM »
Hello Grieth,
I really can't help you, but I think hardware cloth must be some kind of flyscreen.  There are different qualities of flyscreen here of course.  You will just need to find out what the bee one is made out of.  I looked it up, and number 8 is 1/8 inch.  The length converter says this is 3.175mm.  I can't see any mention of mesh or screened bottom boards in any of the beekeeping suppliers catalogues here I know of.  Maybe that is because we don't have varroa here.  I'm sure I've heard talk of screened bottom boards here, though, so someone knows something!  What is your reason for wanting to use it?
You could do as you suggested and use a 1/8 drill to drill 1000s of little holes in the material of your choice  :)  Or maybe if you are really stuck, you could order the small amount of the hardware cloth you'll need from american beekeeping suppliers.

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 07:09:52 PM »
You could maybe try that CrimSafe stuff with screen door manufacturers use on security screens and doors.
It might work.

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2011, 05:41:18 AM »
Give John Edmonds of Geelong Beekeepers an email, the website has all the details. This is a guy who travels nationally and internationally. he will have the answers or refer you onto some one who can help.

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 09:26:40 AM »
Thanks Mardak, I will give him a call.
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Of shoes and ships - and sealing wax - of cabbages and kings”
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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 07:51:37 PM »
Hey Greith,

I got my mesh from SEFAR in Brisbane.
I went for the stainless steel wire mesh as it will last pretty much forever, but they also had galvanised mesh too which was cheaper.
Looks like they have an office in Tullamarine:
Sefar Pty Ltd Screen Printing
26 Ovata Drive
3043 Tullamarine, Victoria
Phone: +61 3 8318 5555

From memory the stainless steel mesh worked out at around $10 per hive for a full length and width screened bottom board.
I think the galvanised mesh was half price or even less - I just have a thing for stainless steel 8-)

ML

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 01:24:32 AM »
Why do you use SBBs, ML?  Is it to prepare for the invasion of the Mitey Varroa army?

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 07:54:18 PM »
Hey Lone,

I use a SBB as my SHB trap. As you mention though 1 of the reasons I have gone for this type of trap is in preparation for Varroa Mite.
I figure if I'm going to go to all the effort of making SHB traps I might as well make them forward compatible, then I'll also be ready for the onslaught of varroa - kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

ML

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 08:33:02 AM »
Thanks meadlover, great info. 
What are the specs on the mesh you used, and would you use that one again?
Any photos of your SBB?
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Of shoes and ships - and sealing wax - of cabbages and kings”
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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 11:43:53 PM »
I will find the invoice and put the specs in this thread for you.

I have been very happy with it's performance so far HOWEVER..... when I was checking the hives 2 weekends ago there was quite a few dead bees, but only in 1 of my 3 trays which means 1 of 2 things:
1. They got into the trap from a gap in the back of the hive where I access and pull out the tray, or
2. They have regressed back to smaller bees and got through the mesh.

I will check them out again in another week or 2 and keep you updated - if it was because they got through the mesh then I need to look at the next size down mesh, otherwise I just need to make sure the tray seals off so they can't get in.

I will also try and take some photos this week.

ML

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 10:50:26 AM »
Thanks, it would be great to see your photos, and get the good oil on mesh size.  I am thinking that it just needs to be big enough for small hive beetle to get through for it to be effective in Aust.

I would also like to give these screens a try Top screens idea, but want something a bit more robust than flyscreen, even if it is aluminum fly screen.
"The time has come," the walrus said, "to talk of many things:
Of shoes and ships - and sealing wax - of cabbages and kings”
Lewis Carroll

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2011, 12:22:40 PM »
Locker Group sell woven wire mesh in galv and stainless. I've found them very helpful in the past.

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2011, 05:47:50 AM »
Stainless steel is supposed be less toxic to bees versus galvanised products.

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 09:11:07 PM »
OK, the stuff I got was:
Supplier: SEFAR Pty Ltd
Code: W006-20-122
Description: SST304 1220MM 3.3mm AP 0.91mm Wire
Cost: $81.00 per linear meter

So basically it is stainless steel mesh that is made with 0.91mm thick wire, and has a 3.3mm sized hole.

You can look at their Stainless Steel Mesh options here: SEFAR - Metal Mesh and look at the "Market Grade Woven Wire" pdf file.

I bought 1.1m which did 6 hives so worked out about $15 per 10 frame hive

I haven't been back to the hives to check again but they've been on the hives for over a year and I've been very happy with them so far.
I bought some spare mesh which is going into a bee vac, and I will also be able to use it as a mesh top on a hive if I want to move them on a really hot day. Also I kept all my offcuts and some were big enough to use to close entrances when I move the hives.

ML

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2011, 10:00:44 PM »
Thanks for that,  I will give them a call when I get home to Melb.
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Of shoes and ships - and sealing wax - of cabbages and kings”
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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 09:35:04 PM »
I just got off the phone to SEFAR and they tell me they don't deal to the public  :(

I haven't been able to find any suppliers in Brisbane at all. Anyone have any ideas?
Shane

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2011, 09:52:42 PM »
ML you wouldn't happen to have any mesh spare I could purchase from you?
Shane

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2011, 10:29:27 PM »
I have found some 3.1mm 0.9mm 1550mm wide

$125+ per meter!!

Shane

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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 10:35:42 PM »
brushy mountain
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Re: Where do you get hardware cloth in Aust
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 10:44:04 PM »
Thats an option, but I don't think I would like the shipping cost.
Shane

 

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