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« on: July 25, 2011, 10:00:13 AM »


 
Where would you think the hive is located?

I am thinking in the eve at least half way up to the peek of the roof going by the discoloration of the brick.
What causes the discoloration Proprolis or Honey? Only thing that makes me question it is that the eve looks very narrow.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 10:30:27 AM »

Have you looked in the attic to check?  May be in both locations.  But I would guess right above that stain.   Unless you got a thermal camera, you have to climb up there and check it out.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 10:32:44 AM »

Likely in the soffit, perhaps some in the attic as well. Those are honey stains.


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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 11:25:31 AM »

That much staining how long would you think they have been there.
Manager sent me the picture I haven't even been there yet.
I really don't want to be up there either.
I need to give them a call back today.
I am betting they will not be happy I am thinking boom lift.
I could hire one of my skinny ass friends to climb a ladder but my tallest ladder is only 24 foot and I am betting it will have trouble reaching and then I don't know if the bee vac could suck that far. So I would have to strap it and my shop vac to the other ladder and try and raise it from the ground, boom lift best bet.
Oh and she is already asked about insurance and workmans comp. I don't have insurance and don't think it would be worth it for this one job. I don't even know what type of insurance I would need.

 
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 11:29:06 AM »

Only thing that makes me question it is that the eve looks very narrow.


The brick was installed after the building was framed. The hollow of the gable soffit will extend about 5" beyond the face of the brick.

It will look like this:

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 12:12:09 PM »

Wow! great pic. Now, that's a hive!
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 12:33:23 PM »

Finding the hive is like cracking an egg to find if its good. You never know until you open them. I've found the hives right by the entrance or several feet from the entrance. To fully extract the hive be prepared to open the roof. I handle this by having the homeowner hire the carpenter and I'll handle the bees. I've found a good carpenter who I will recommend. Make sure you inform the homeowner that it could become extensive depending upon where the bees are. They need to be committed to wanting them out. A lift would work but my carpenter uses scaffold. Working from a ladder is too risky and gives you limited mobility. No bees are worth risking your life for.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 05:17:07 PM »

Well emailed the apartment manager back told her it would be 500 to just rent the boom lift. I will see if she emails me back but I don't want to be hanging my butt off a ladder 20 foot up in the air the Height doesn't bother me it the ladder saying I weight to much and letting go that scares me. I am over my little giants weight limit that worries me with it fully stretched out.
Ten years ago 30 to 40 foot up on a crane boom didn't worry me at all but I was skinner and I was pea sized compared to what the crane was designed to do.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 10:57:12 AM »

Well they called me today. They have a forklift on site so no need for the boom lift they want a price real bad because their construction guy knows a beekeeper at his church. I told them if the guy wants it let him have it but if he doesn't let me know. I might go look at it this weekend if the other guy says no. I bet I will not beat his price and I have to look at the forklift before I quote a price I am not getting on make shift death. I like the forklift idea though I just need a good box I am to old to just sit me on a pallet and send me to the moon.  grin
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2011, 12:20:34 PM »

You will need a forklift operator for several hours also, that is not afraid of the bees. Remember if he takes off running you are stranded on the forks.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 12:40:44 PM »

No way I would be lifted that high in the air on a forklift where my safety was contingent on the operator below. I think your first thought was to walk away from it. If this were me, thats what I would do.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 02:47:59 PM »

I have thought about that one too. I am pretty sure the wife would get me down at some point.

I don't think they want to pay the money I want to go up that high. I kinda hope they get the other guy and he does a horrible job ( not wishing bad on him but I bet he will under quote and then I hope he has the sense to walk away) that way I get the, darn I wish I had hired the other guy word of mouth and I don't have to do it. The wife said 1000 bucks or just walk away I might have to agree. The price has to be high enough that I can't say NO sorta thing.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 03:44:01 PM »

I did one similar to it (maybe not quite as high) charged $1,900, but that included putting it all back together when I was finished.

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 10:37:36 PM »

Is there accessible attic space to determine if they are simply in the soffit? That would be the first thing I would check out.

Honey stains happen for one of two reasons. The bees took up residency early spring and as summer progresses the rising temperatures heat honey comb sections causing them to fall and spill out.

Second reason is they have been sprayed.

If going up on a forklift twenty feet or higher, I want as large a platform I can get in order to place vac, tools, hive box etc...

I would call V Martin and have his company set you up with a lift.

That job without repairs should start at $750.00 IMO.


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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 12:58:52 PM »

Well which one of you AL boys is taking the job. I just talk to the lady they got someone from the AL Bee Association. I asked what he charged I know its not professional but darn it I want to know.

Well she just emailed me back said he is doing it for a lot less than what I would have asked well I told her the charge would have been at least 750 for me to go up on that forklift if I liked the lift. She said he is doing for a lot less does it more so for the bees.  lau He or if the dude comes on here you values those bees a lot higher than I do especially in early August. I would have spent at least 150 on the bees alone to make sure they made it through winter.

I wonder how long he has been doing it. I feel bad for new guys that do this like me last year and the year before we over value the bees and it takes doing a few and the bees dieing for us to say whats the point. That or you have to put 80 bucks back in them to get them going good. I have known a few in the last 2 years that advertised in this area most now say no way. There was one in Jackson talked to him this spring said he wasn't doing it anymore unless you lived down the street and that all the hives he did after July last year died. I feel that people take advantage of new guys because they have not yet learned the lesson, and the fact that I bet that apartment complex is not in the business of forgiving unpaid rent because they are in it for the people that need homes lol.

What y'all think.
I am just glad I don't have to go up there and especially for little money lol.

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2011, 09:18:00 PM »

How is it that people take advantage of new guys? I guess if you allow others to dictate what you should or shouldn't do, how much you should charge... The person doing the removal can either take the job or walk away.


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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2011, 07:37:23 AM »

Seems like everybody has to do one or two for free or on the cheap in the beginning, just a way of getting their feet wet (I know I have done a couple of freebies and a few cheapies, but those days are over except for the special cases).
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2011, 08:25:35 AM »

MY PRICE IS $300 MIN. Went yesterday to a unnamed large lumber . hardware supplier. Talked to the co-manager told him my price for cutouts he winced. Said he didnt know if corporate office would go for that . Told him maybe we could work out a trade for some good 1 x 12 pine lumber.He said he would talk to his boss and call me he was thinking that would be the way to go as he could hide the loss as damage wink wink. No more freebies .
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2011, 09:03:09 AM »

A couple of thoughts as I read through this.  Haddon, think of it as a poker game or an auction. You have to be able to abstain from getting emotionally involved in the negotiation of the transaction.  We all understand that you want the bees, but listen to your inner voice of reason, (and the voices of other experienced beeks) not that I am one mind you.  JP, thanks for the plug and yeah $500 for a boom lift to go 20' sounds a little high.  I agree with K9 100% about getting on a forklift.  If the owner is no more concerned about your safety than that, I would take by smoker and go home.  Better healthy and less one colony off bees than broke up or worse and still less one colony of bees.  I can appreciate your enthusiasm but I would stay away from this one unless you can do it safely and for a profit.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 11:57:39 AM »

MY PRICE IS $300 MIN. Went yesterday to a unnamed large lumber . hardware supplier. Talked to the co-manager told him my price for cutouts he winced. Said he didnt know if corporate office would go for that . Told him maybe we could work out a trade for some good 1 x 12 pine lumber.He said he would talk to his boss and call me he was thinking that would be the way to go as he could hide the loss as damage wink wink. No more freebies .

I think we could ALL get behind a lumber barter, lol.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 03:06:53 PM »

JP you have a advantage I have never once in my life thought of calling a pest control company and expecting the services I received to be free or for the love of the bugs. How they take advantage of us is they call pretty much begging for me to save the bees and they don't want them killed, but I am not paying you how dare you ask for money isn't saving the bees enough. The people that call me don't even ask a price that should tell you were their mind set is in the process. Most conversations start out I have bees in the wall of my house and wanted to know if you want them? I would think in normal places the words would be what would you charge to get them out of my house not do you want them.

This is my rant I seem mean but I do like doing cutouts I just don't intend on losing money on doing them. If I want to give bees money I will give it to the ones in my back yard. 

 Vmmartin it wasn't 20 foot it was 24 to 30 and just to buy a ladder that I would not climb to 30 foot would cost $ 300 or more so 500 isn't so bad for the lift and a scissor lift would have been 300.



This year I have done one removal and that was the log I refuse to do one for free.

My price I quote is 50 bucks a hour 3 hour min. for ground work and ladder up to maybe 10 foot oh and mileage sometimes. I think its a far price seeing we have to do construction work and have the crap stung out of us at the same time all while being in a sweat suite in the middle of 100 degree heat.
 I have played this game a few times there is no reason for me to even load the truck for less than 150.

I love bees and would love to have a new hive the homeowner just needs to cut it out the wall and bring it to my house I will be glad to take it for free. That is the only free removal I want. I mean if I just wanted to have the bees I would be asking JP if I could come help him chase bees. Or Adkins bee removal claims that they will give you free bees if you trade them equipment. I have never tried it but I would before I did removals for free.

 So this has been my year.

House in Greenville bees hanging half way to the ground. They had told me it was a exposed hive under the eve its not its a huge Hive in the attic next to his eve. It was 100 to get them from the eve still to cheap for that with me having to drive 100 miles total to get it I tell him it will have to be at least 200 if I have to go in that attic mind you it 100 degrees outside old man has a fit that its to high and he aint going to pay that. So I pack up my S*** and he stands over there telling me how they have talked to at least 30 beekeeper and we are some of the sorriest people he has ever dealt with. Not a one of the other beekeepers has shown up. He had one quote him 75 and he didn't show up. I just packed my crap and told him it was 200 if he wanted me to come back should have told him what I thought of him and his bees instead but I was trying to be nice.

 It has been a year of nothing but those.

Talked to a guy last week said that his dad was moving into a house the painters brush pushed threw the wall exposing a huge hive he is in Greenville too. Told me all about how their are bees all in the house dad had to move back out bees were hanging on the outside from the roof to the ground. How they had multiple guys come over the years to remove them and none had done the job they had never once remove the comb. I told him I could fix it but my services are not free didn't even tell him the price he will not call me back. That was a waist of 30 minutes of my life I can't get back dude would not shut up till I told him it wasn't free. I mean from what he described I would have paid someone to come get them.

 Now the one that started this thread she had to get the guy from Alabama to come do it. I can tell you I am not the only beekeeper she called in Mississippi if they ended up getting one from AL. Just every beekeeper in Mississippi laughed at her I am betting.

 Three years ago before the influx of new beekeepers I would forward calls to the other guys on the swarms list. I was not yet doing removals I finally called a few of the old guys that then populated the swarm lists they laughed about removals, I didn't talk to a one that said yeah they do them a few said they had been rooked into them in the past but that no one in this state wants to pay what its worth.

Half the people I deal with think it should be free the other half think you should pay them for the honey.

Only reason I started the website was so that the free or you pay me people would see I charge and not call me. That and I thought I might be missing the calls from people willing to pay that are looking for pest control. I might even charge just what a pest control guy would charge to spray but I can't find one that will give me a quote. I am betting its still well over 100 bucks to come out seeing that the last time I had to have a plumber sign off on my work he charged me 80 bucks for his name.

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 04:06:52 PM »

http://www.bee-removals.com/bee-removal-equipmentcost.html

I didn't want to start a new thread so tell me what I might be forgetting about cost here.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 04:53:13 PM »

You’re not doing anything wrong Michael, sounds like you just live in an area where there is more supply for beekeeping removals than there is demand for bees to be removed. And, I would venture a guess that’s true for most of the rural areas of the country. Seems like all the guys doing a lot of removals are all around highly populated urban areas.

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2011, 06:13:58 PM »

I wouldn't say its a over supply of removers it more the people will just keep calling year after year begging till someone feels sorry and does it. That or the building falls down which happens around here we have mansions that fall into disrepair and over time come falling down. Thats why I feel bad for new guys they feel sorry for the bees and have not realized that the homeowner is not going to kill them ever. Like that hive in Greenville I would bet money its still there even though he claimed he would kill them. He had not done so in 2 years why would this year be different. The old man will die with that have most likely still in his house.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2011, 08:36:12 PM »

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Half the people I deal with think it should be free the other half think you should pay them for the honey.


Yes, I get that sometimes. You should do the work just for the value of the bees! HA!


My favorite is the people who show up when you're doing a cut-out wanting to know about the honey. Their eyes gleam at the thought of ALL that golden honey and seem to think it's just like the jar in the store. If I give them some honey, it's going to have some bees in it, as well.

I feed the cut-out honey to the bees.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2011, 11:11:45 PM »

judy welcome to the forum and i feed the honey back to the bees too.haddon you get all kinds out there,my best one is ,your a beekeeper you should do it for the bees.i told this person that he's a tax payer and should give his hole paycheck to the government.well he never called back.the only ones that get a freebee from me is the elderly that has little and in need of some help. well my mother of course grin           .........schawee
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2011, 12:03:10 PM »

Yeah I did 2 free last year testing my equipment and getting everything set up correctly. Then no more free ones dang if my half sister didn't call and say her mom had one in her shed for 3 or more years so last year I did 3 free ones. lol
So I know that bee removal for free for mama.


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