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1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« on: May 04, 2011, 10:33:17 PM »
DH & I were told that the Inspector for our area was a very good guy...and he really was..but

We were all ready to get inspected and registered, DH made a SBB and top entrance.  Had the whole set-up out next to the bees to transfer into the new box. My bees are in a box that is not mine.  First thing the inspector said was..."it won't work.  Bees enter their hives from the bottom."  Then he said that we had too much room between the SBB and the brood box and that we need to take out the spacer.  DH added a spacer according to MB.

 Then he turned the BB on the other hive over...said that it needs to be wide open for air flow. Told us of all the treatments that we need to do for Spring, Summer, Fall, to "prevent"  having any sickness.  I just nodded my head in agreement.

Then we went to sign the paperwork.  The Beekeeper Compliance Agreement that I had to sign was the most discouraging. 

# 8 in the list is:
Recommend re-queening with European stock every six months unless using marked or clipped queens and having in possession a bill of sale from a EHB Queen Producer.

Maybe it is just me...I am tired.. but I AM  moving the bees to the top entrance hive.   I do not want to treat just because the calendar says to, and I am not re-queening every 6 months.  Just do not know how to get around having the bill of sale from a EHB Queen Producer.

I feel like I'm breaking the law...


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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2011, 10:58:46 PM »
You are right, he is wrong. Do as you are planning.

Your post says #8 "recommended". If that is the way it is written, then that's what it is. A recommendation, not a law.
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2011, 10:58:56 PM »
don't you just love it when your government "helps" you?  are you required to register hives and have inspections?  

you do what works for you.  he can do what works for him.  
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 11:15:24 PM »
>We were all ready to get inspected and registered, DH made a SBB and top entrance.  Had the whole set-up out next to the bees to transfer into the new box. My bees are in a box that is not mine.  First thing the inspector said was..."it won't work.  Bees enter their hives from the bottom."

So now we know he knows nothing about bees.

>  Then he said that we had too much room between the SBB and the brood box and that we need to take out the spacer.  DH added a spacer according to MB.

3/4" is standard.

> Then he turned the BB on the other hive over...said that it needs to be wide open for air flow. Told us of all the treatments that we need to do for Spring, Summer, Fall, to "prevent"  having any sickness.

The party line.

>  I just nodded my head in agreement.

As you should.

>Then we went to sign the paperwork.  The Beekeeper Compliance Agreement that I had to sign was the most discouraging.
# 8 in the list is:
Recommend re-queening with European stock every six months unless using marked or clipped queens and having in possession a bill of sale from a EHB Queen Producer.

Every six months is ridiculous.  I know many beekeepers in Florida who are raising their own queens, and capturing ferals and keeping them.  They may be violating the law...

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 11:16:06 PM »
   are you required to register hives and have inspections?  

 Florida Law...yes

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2011, 12:49:33 AM »
Sounds like you handled it just right.  Don't let them get you down.

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2011, 12:57:48 AM »
Last year as part of the south eastern organic bee keeping conference's agenda was a planned night time inspection. This conference was held in West Palm Beach.

The state inspector said "I want you to omit the night time inspections as they promote thievery."

How about that folks??????

We did it anyway.  :-D

Bee keepers work hives, graft, transfer, etc... when they have opportunity, sometimes that opportunity is 3 in the morning.

Where do they find these so called qualified inspectors?????


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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2011, 01:15:14 AM »
The worst part is I'm now hearing that FL may be gearing up to all but abandon legitimate inspectors (several of whom I know personally and truly admire...others not so much) and groom "Master" beekeepers (through the UF program) to assume some of the duties. I personally feel that the bee inspection program is needed here in FL although I don't really agree with much of the political crap that goes with it. I have nothing against the "Master" beekeepers out there, but know several that I wouldn't trust inspecting my tire treads, let alone my bees!

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2011, 08:02:40 AM »
We had Jerry Hayes as a guest at one of our Indiana State meetings awhile back. He talked about difficulty of having to balance good beekeeping practices with the public fear and media frenzy about "Killer Bees". As a government official, he has to answer the question "What's the state doing to protect citizens from Africanized bees?"  Many municpalities could easily pass "No beekeeping" ordinances as a knee-jerk reaction, but he also has to consider the value of pollination to state agriculture. The Best Management Practices (http://www.freshfromflorida.com/pi/plantinsp/apiary/apiary.html) are an effort to provide some political cover for those defending beekeeping.

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 08:20:46 AM »
We had Jerry Hayes as a guest at one of our Indiana State meetings awhile back. He talked about difficulty of having to balance good beekeeping practices with the public fear and media frenzy about "Killer Bees". As a government official, he has to answer the question "What's the state doing to protect citizens from Africanized bees?"  Many municpalities could easily pass "No beekeeping" ordinances as a knee-jerk reaction, but he also has to consider the value of pollination to state agriculture. The Best Management Practices (http://www.freshfromflorida.com/pi/plantinsp/apiary/apiary.html) are an effort to provide some political cover for those defending beekeeping.


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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 08:59:49 AM »
Love being in a state that doesn't require inspections and such.  Don't get me wrong Virginia has some dumb laws ex. radar detectors illegal.  For the most part though as far as beekeeping they do a pretty good job.  Went to a workshop where Dr. Rick Fell was speaking a professor of entimology out at Virginia Tech (VPI).  He even promoted not using any form of treatment for the bees including SBB.   :shock:  He ticked off some old school guys.   :-D

I wonder how they deal with African honey bees over in Africa?  They probably don't so killer bees is probably more science fiction then anything cause the best way to deal with them is through eduction about them not trying to kill them out.  We all know that sure as heck doesn't work.
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 10:51:32 AM »
You know, I understand the requeening argument, but I know an old man who is approximately 95. He has kept bees his whole life and he has a hive at his house now. For the last 4 or 5 years he has not had to requeen. Replacing an old or bad queen is one thing, but replacing a good one just because is ridiculous! Just my opinion!

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 12:28:14 PM »
Who is suggesting requeening every 6 months?

I think you guys are missing the point and what the original comment intended. Do you get the reasoning, the additional comments about marking or clipping, and what the rationale is behind the recommendation?

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 12:43:33 PM »
""The Beekeeper Compliance Agreement that I had to sign was the most discouraging.

# 8 in the list is:
Recommend re-queening with European stock every six months unless using marked or clipped queens and having in possession a bill of sale from a EHB Queen Producer.""


It looks like the state of Fla. is recommending it. Maybe you missed that? The rational, in my opinion, is AHB hysteria.
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2011, 01:03:54 PM »
""The Beekeeper Compliance Agreement that I had to sign was the most discouraging.

# 8 in the list is:
Recommend re-queening with European stock every six months unless using marked or clipped queens and having in possession a bill of sale from a EHB Queen Producer.""


It looks like the state of Fla. is recommending it. Maybe you missed that? The rational, in my opinion, is AHB hysteria.

Read it again...... ;)

It only recommends requeening if you DO NOT mark or clip your queens.

Hysteria or not, what they are attempting to do, and what Indy had so nicely pointed out, is walk a fine line trying to show to the public, local township boards and state politicians, that when someone does get stung to death, it should be understood that the bee industry is being proactive, and trying to make sure "hysteria" is not something the local public, newspaper, and others take it too.

Far better to have a beekeeper best management proactive in place (even if voluntary) and be able to state truthfully that the state at least has some guidelines and recommendations in place. Better than having a stinging episode or death, and have it be known that the bee industry, state agriculture department, and other folks, seem not to be in control, and answer a question such as "What is the state and beekeepers doing so this does not happen again?" and the reply being "We don't do anything. We have no recommendations. We let each beekeeper do what they want, and if someone gets stung....take it up with the nearest beekeeper!"

I've never seen a bunch of people get so worked up about a "suggestion". And one based in commonsense, and tailored towards protecting the very industry they enjoy.

I'll be glad to have a "Best Beekeeper Practices" program in place here in Pennsylvania, to head off any new zoning or banning of bees when someone is confirmed to be killed by AHBs. And yes, there will be hysteria. Not from the bee industry. But the public.

 
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2011, 01:19:22 PM »
everything is done "for our own good".  it's no doubt a good thing to have recommendations for best practices.  i question the need for the state (government) ever being involved.  you know that all the recommendations or rules in the world won't keep people from going nuts and asking for legislation if a couple of people get killed by bees and a beekeeper is anywhere around. 

in the mean time, you have states spending money on recommendations and people to inspect, when state are broke and the advice may or may not be good.  states are going to have to make some choices about this kind of stuff.

recommendations are only legislation waiting to happen.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2011, 01:44:17 PM »
everything is done "for our own good".  it's no doubt a good thing to have recommendations for best practices.  i question the need for the state (government) ever being involved.  you know that all the recommendations or rules in the world won't keep people from going nuts and asking for legislation if a couple of people get killed by bees and a beekeeper is anywhere around.  

in the mean time, you have states spending money on recommendations and people to inspect, when state are broke and the advice may or may not be good.  states are going to have to make some choices about this kind of stuff.

recommendations are only legislation waiting to happen.

While I agree on the effectiveness of "Inspectors", I also know that we as beekeepers also want bees to be allowed in every backyard in America. We cry that bees are safe. We state that all honey bee stinging episode deaths are attributed to AHB (true).

And yet, we balk at giving the public any assurances that we as a group, will be proactive, take commonsense approaches to ensure we have non-AHB colonies, and act in their best interest. Bees are not like other animals or agriculture commodities. A chicken never killed anyone that I am aware of.

Sorry.....I don't take the "Each should do what they want" approach to selling the public support of beekeeping in communities. The old "If I want to keep nasty bees in the middle of my neighborhood that is my right....and screw anyone else beyond my fence" attitude usually gets zoning with limitations and banning as soon as problems pop up.

This is not about the much used "It's for our own good" line that seemingly does get overplayed. This is about being supportive and understanding that the public may be far more effective in banning and pushing new zoning if not for the state agriculture department support, inspectors, and other aspects of assurances given to the public to at least try to limit impact in the future.

I've seen it a few times. A town wants to ban beekeeping. And who does the local beekeepers turn to right away. State agriculture department, state inspector, and university entomologists. So it's is kind of two-handed to on one hand say "Who needs these folks" and then also rely on them to garner support, stop restrictive zoning, and keep beekeeping a viable backyard practice for all to enjoy. And if you have bad inspectors...then write a letter and be behind making it better.

It's not about having them or not having them in this situation. That is another whole discussion. And if I had to vote to ban be inspectors in this state....I would vote yes. But while we do have the inspectors, it would at least be worthy to understand the purpose, and the intentions of such "Best Beekeeping Practices" being promoted.

I would venture to say, without such practices, and support of those deemed not worthy to have around any longer, there might just be a few less beekeepers out there. But I know.....it just as easy to think it will never happen to me in my little corner.

BTW.....if I was in the middle of AHB territory, I'd be suggesting in my classes that beekeeper also mark queens, clip wings, or requeen often. That is not bad advice.  ;) But it does require an understanding beyond the first 3.9 seconds that it takes the normal beekeeper to figure out that he will be out twenty bucks, then get all excited about this "suggestion".  :-D
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2011, 01:57:28 PM »
agreed on proactive against AHB and public perception. But this inspector seems to be a little lacking in his skills. What are the requirements to be an inspector? Maybe we as a community of beekeepers should look at that. Maybe campaign for minimum standards and continuing education for inspectors. That way they will be current. I'm sure he thought he was, but his IPM skills seems to lacking. IMO
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2011, 02:04:26 PM »
ok, but wouldn't it be equally effective to have an association of beekeepers in a state like FL who did inspections and recommendations?  the public would get the same assurances and the government would be involved.  

first, you get legislation passed that protects beekeepers who submit to inspections, from liability.  then you put together some beekeepers and do some inspection training and agree on best practices.  
i would volunteer to work in a program like that.  bet lots of people would.  i'd also agree to inspections because i wouldn't have some government stooge poking around on my property.

saves the state money.  saves the beekeeper money + the  kind of people who would work in something like this are more apt to be teachers rather than just doing a job.    

yes, beekeepers and others in ag go to the state for protection, but they are asking for protection FROM the state or local govt.  

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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2011, 02:13:40 PM »
Hey Terrex, where are you in the panhandle? I used to live in P-Cola
I wish you had an inspector like ours, Iowa inspections are voluntary and the guy who does mine is very helpfull.

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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2011, 03:20:12 PM »
ok, but wouldn't it be equally effective to have an association of beekeepers in a state like FL who did inspections and recommendations?  the public would get the same assurances and the government would be involved.  

No way to know that. Ever try to get enough volunteers just to run a mentoring program? Bet it would be much harder to get people to take calsses, get trained, pay for travel, and commit to doing a half decent job, with no pay.

first, you get legislation passed that protects beekeepers who submit to inspections, from liability.  then you put together some beekeepers and do some inspection training and agree on best practices. 

So we are right back to regulations and mandatory appliance. Hmmm. And to think so many had a problem with a simple suggestion as posted earlier. Good Luck!


saves the state money.  saves the beekeeper money + the  kind of people who would work in something like this are more apt to be teachers rather than just doing a job.

Who said it would be free?  ;)

What your describing is a mentoring program at best.   ;)

Why even go down this road? Any club can have a mentoring program.

But with no real reasoning, enforcement, mandatory guidance, or benefit,....why the need for a law limiting or giving the beekeepers a pass from liability? Why the need for "card board cutout" program, if the Best Beekeeper Practice" is just nothing more than Friends inspecting friends, with a wink, wink.

I'd like to see a couple folks spend 40 hours a day doing what may be needed for nothing as some "certified" inspector through the state. I know I don't have the time or money to do that.

yes, beekeepers and others in ag go to the state for protection, but they are asking for protection FROM the state or local govt. 

And having no inspectors, agriculture bee departments, and other support mechanisms help exactly who?

Let me know how far you get with the whole promotion of disbanding the state bee inspection programs, in exchange for a voluntary program based on a free service provided by folks that would have no funding, no authorization, and nothing else of a vested interest.

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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2011, 03:28:25 PM »
so you are left with the state.  just how much funding do you need to inspect hives?

the only way it doesn't work is if you make it all accountable to the state.  i'm saying get the state all the way out of it. 

it may not be workable but i object to the state doing this kind of stuff on a number of levels....now, commercial beekeeping is a different animal.  there the state has an interest in protecting commerce.  i see no reason to harass backyard beekeepers and for the state/tax payer to spend money on it.
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2011, 03:38:25 PM »
The Beekeeper Compliance Agreement that I had to sign was the most discouraging. 

  HHmm I don't remember even seeing something like that. All I did in the past was sigh the inspection forms.

Glad my experiences with the inspectors were different than yours... Only thing I could say in a slightly negative way is the "pro chemical treatment push", but that is the state and not the inspectors fault.


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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2011, 03:49:42 PM »
Harassing?  I'm not sure I see that.

Do we need inspections? As I said, I'd vote for them all to go.

I do find interest in you comment that commercial beeks should (I assume) be inspected. Why?

What number makes you inspectable?

It's like saying "Inspect the zoos, but leave me alone. I have only one tiger on my property"

How many tigers, or how many beehives should one get to keep before having them registered should be required? If you were sitting on a city ordinance board, how do you balance freedom of the individual, and the protection of the public? Should we allow 100 hive on that quarter acre lot in the middle of the city while demanding that individual rights trump other concerns?

I guess we should demand that since our vehicles are not commercial and for private transportation, that only commercial vehicles should be registered. Why are they picking on me? Does the state really need to inspect my truck? If it is broke, I can't drive it. And certainly nobody would ever think of taking an unsafe vehicle on the road. I bet with no inspections and registration, vehicles would be much safer after requiring the individual to assume that responsibility.  :roll: We can have a "Check it twice" program where with your signature, and any other person verifying your vehicle is safe, that this would suffice for any inspection service now required.  ;)

Now what exactly are the bee inspectors protecting us from? Nothing.  

As I said, I could care less for inspectors. But I am not sure for 5 dollars a year, and what they provide, that some voluntary community or association based program would be any better.

Our funding is very minimal. I think we have 5 inspectors this year. About 25 hours a week, for 5 months, at 13.50 an hour. Why do you think I'm no longer an inspector?  :-D  And people wonder why the job is a rotating position with weak qualified applicants.

If I was governor, that program would get chopped.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2011, 04:18:21 PM »
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I do find interest in you comment that commercial beeks should (I assume) be inspected. Why?

What number makes you inspectable?

because the state does have a legitimate interest in commerce.

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I guess we should demand that since our vehicles are not commercial and for private transportation, that only commercial vehicles should be registered. Why are they picking on me? Does the state really need to inspect my truck? If it is broke, I can't drive it. And certainly nobody would ever think of taking an unsafe vehicle on the road. I bet with no inspections and registration, vehicles would be much safer after requiring the individual to assume that responsibility.   We can have a "Check it twice" program where with your signature, and any other person verifying your vehicle is safe, that this would suffice for any inspection service now required. 


when is the last time your vehicle was inspected for safety?  they do emissions tests in my state.  they charge a fortune for it.  they don't care how safe my car is they only care that i am not polluting according to their standards.  i'd get rid of that in a heartbeat and the EPA.
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2011, 04:58:02 PM »
Wow...I think I'll move west.

Around here, the state inspection involves brakes, working lights, tires, and other stuff.
Vehicle unsafe....no registration.

Far different than the day I pulled into "Bubba's" garage in Mississippi for a state inspection in my Yankee vehicle with Pennsylvania plates. He said "Turn on your headlights." I did. Then he said "Come on in here and sign this" He said "that would be 8 dollars". I said "EIGHT DOLLARS!" He said "Yeah, ain't that a shame, it went up two dollars this year".  ;)

Of course we were already paying 24 dollars in Pennsylvania, and the inspection was far beyond whether your lights worked. Of course, I seen some real pieces of crap on the road while living in Mississippi in the 80's.

So your saying it's like that still in Oregon? No safety checks at all. Sweeeeet!  :-D
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2011, 05:18:45 PM »
If I were you I would run nice queens walk around the yard with queen marking pens in my pocket and remember that queens only live for about 5 year so get new papers every five years Oh and use the right color pens. But if your bees are nice mark that queen and go on no one really cares about AHB genes they just don't want you raising mean bees. Same reason no one liked my Grandfathers Black German wild bees he ran and they are the reason my father hates bees they were mean with out question.

For your sake if you have a mean hive get ride of it I had one that would attack 30 to 40 foot from the hive last year and you will become gun shy working a hive like that in my head I know my hives this year are nice but I still duck when I have no need too.

I am in MS too and now the only real check is for if you have window tent then the highway patrol must inspect it and last inspection sticker I got I only paid 5.00 buck. Now our tags can be in the thousands depending on what you drive.


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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2011, 09:34:42 PM »
>when is the last time your vehicle was inspected for safety?

That would be decades ago in Colorado...
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2011, 09:56:12 PM »
>when is the last time your vehicle was inspected for safety?

That would be decades ago in Colorado...


Think it really depends on the guy doing the inspecting.  I have to have all working lights good tire tread working wipers.  They must also inspect the breaks and exhaust pipes.  That being said most guys it's lights horn wipers and you get a sticker.  They just don't make enough off the stickers to do what the state asks of them.
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2011, 10:14:45 PM »
our DMV inspection is 21 it was 12 the time before.  all they do is check to see what you are spewing.  doesn't matter if you have a new car, you must go through. takes about 10 min. 
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2011, 10:29:24 PM »
Whew!  I have started a real bee hive here...so sorry.


The reason for top entrance for me is simple.    Don't let the "Sunshine State" fool you, it is hot and humid. Moisture drips off the house every morning, everything is wet, then the heat gets turned on.  Our A/C just pours water out the drain.   Can't decide which is worse most days in the summer. So Ventilation is a must so as to not put the bee under stress.    We live out in the country...No housing around, so we have LOTS of wild critters that are interested in the hive.  To get a good air flow helps with dehydrating the honey down to 18% before being capped.  Helps with over heated bees that are stuck in the hive taking care of brood.  Now this is Top entrance WITH a SBB.

>Hey Terrex, where are you in the panhandle? I used to live in P-Cola


We live close to Paxton.

No, I am not even interested in a AHB.  Not interested in a aggressive hive. I do understand why they are "recommending" re-queening ...but every 6 months or even every year???  Geez, seems excessive.  Plus, if you re-queen that often, how do you keep the genetics of the bee hive going?  But things do go wrong, and you lose the queen, whether to old age (maybe) or birds, maybe she was killed by you, then you of course would have to re-queen.

I am out at the hive everyday.  I am NO expert, I have gone into the hive several times without protective wear.  The inspector told me to light up my smoker...Told him that I never had used it.  So I got it for him, but asked him not to smoke  heavy.  He also told me to suit up.  I just shook my head no.  He said OK??  He lit the smoker and gave it a puff, I told him that was enough, that the bees get very confused and ask him if he was alright with this...he said,  well I will take your word for it.  We had no problems, the bees did not even land on us.  He did take his time looking at everything and it was getting cool.  When he closed it up it said everything was nice and clean. ( Well, I guess so,,,my hive is new)    I was already miffed...to put it nicely, but then he turned and sat on my hive like a chair so that he could talk.  I wanted to deck him.

 This inspector said that he would CALL to make the appointment for next year.  
 
Florida does not have car inspections.  We pay for tags thur the mail.   Plus this year, they sent me a notice to renew my drivers license.  We did it on line, they used the picture from the old license.  Sweet.

  

  
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2011, 11:21:48 PM »
Quote
Whew!  I have started a real bee hive here...so sorry.

not to worry.   at least we are not AHB hives   :evil:
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2011, 11:27:56 PM »
You may not use smoke now, but you will after a while. About the first or second time your "gentle" bees give you 100 plus stings within 10 seconds of opening the hive. It's not a matter of if, it's just a matter of when.

I never go into a hive without smoke. They have taught me well.
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2011, 01:27:03 AM »
I will give a little advice about that smoker and using it Iddee didn't give you details of what can and eventually will happen.  I bought a swarm off a lady and her hubby very nice couple.  Brought it home left it in the back of the truck over nite with a screen covering the entrance.  Next morning bright and early loaded it up in the Mule (ATV not the kind that eats hay) and took it up to it's new site a large rock.  Opened it up and they came boiling out right at the face.  Don't know how many stings i took lost count and looked like i was on the losing end of a prize fight.  Moral of the story if i wasn't so lazy and fired up the smoker and gave them a few puffs i wouldn't have looked that way.  Also i would have deprived my buddy of getting to laugh his butt off at me that morning as i met him to go help with his bees.  Smokers are very good trust me i never touch a hive without having one lit.   :-D 
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2011, 07:09:54 PM »
 I really have no problems with a smoker...but I do have a problem when the hive get so much smoke that it looks like its on fire.  Smoke coming out the top and entrance so bad that you have to wait for some wind to pull it away, and they just keep on smoking it. 
Today we were out.  A friend that is helping me came when we were not here and did not know he was coming.  Needless to say, the front entrance is burned on the hive...he is big on smoking it up...just wonder how the frames look now. There does not seem to be activity...I think that I saw 3 bees coming out... miffed

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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2011, 08:40:18 PM »
Like booze, a little is good. A lot is terrible. Two puffs in the entrance and one across the frames when the inner lid is lifted. Then only when the sound of the hive changes.
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Re: 1st time Inspector came today...discouraged
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2011, 10:11:22 PM »
Terrex; you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder. The FL inspections were mandated many years ago when AFB was raging not only in FL but around the nation. Sorry to tell you this but 98% of hobby beekeepers wouldn't know AFB from dog poop. At this point in time, thanks to the efforts of the states and those lousy, intruding inspectors, AFB is a fairly rare occurrence. As for the FL Best Management Practices, you probably don't need to heed them in your area, YET!!! No one will come and force you to install new queens, even when the Panhandle becomes an active AHB area. If you can live with the AHB have at it! They're your bees. I happen to live in a known AHB area, the inspector is a great guy and commercial beek himself. He looks for AFB, points out any other problems if you have them and leaves. If we have a hive of mean bees he puts on his veil, usually doesn't use one, and keeps on inspecting. No requirements for queen receipts or anything else. You're making a big fuss over piddling details.