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« on: April 14, 2011, 09:33:19 PM »

My lovely bride took some pictures by the open feeding area of these dark colored bees with the slight yellow stripes on their shiny abdomens.  They were beating up my larger Italians.  I assume that they are feral bees of some sort, would love to catch a swarm of these little buggers.


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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 10:02:49 PM »

They have the coloration of my Carniolans, but who knows.  They’re probably a mutt mix.

The last photo does look a little dark, but maybe it’s like the others and just lost its hairs due to age.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 10:37:45 PM »

They are honey bees.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 08:30:27 AM »

They are honey bees.  Smiley


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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 08:47:21 AM »

Honey bees they are..

could you possibly post a pic of the queen? Carnolian is what it looks like to me but possibly an and or Caucasian, Carnolian's are more common, See the same around here
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 01:44:03 PM »

Honey bees they are..

could you possibly post a pic of the queen?

I would love to, however, as I mentioned above, they are not my bees I am assuming that they are feral bees of some sort.  Hopefully they will swarm and find my swarm trap.  Then I'll be able to post a picture of the queen.  grin
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2011, 03:04:52 PM »

Russians, carnIolans, german bees tend to be darker bees.  Poke one...does it sting you?  The old german bees are more aggressive .  But if you poke it too hard it will sting you anyway, and that undoubtedly mean that it is a honeybee  grin.

But then again, russians and carnIolans can be light like an italian too, so who knows?
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2011, 05:08:16 PM »

I have some hives that throw completely black bees in a small % of the hive population.   Just a small genetic variation to keep things well.   
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 02:45:36 AM »

German blacks are supposed to be fierce robbers.  From some stuff I read that is one way they used to wipe out competitors in the wild (Italians, carnies, etc) and is why there were always a large feral population of them till mites cleaned house.  Im not saying thats what they are but they could be.

Ok, Im going to off topic kinda but I have had a bit of a crush on a.m.m. since I started reading about bees and I have always wanted to catch some feral ones.  It was until I heard more about them recently and understood why they were disliked so much that I decided not to get some until I have a yard where they can not mate with the rest of my stock.  You say they are beating up your bees reminded me of this below...

Here is a quote from Robert Russell about A.M.M. who is as far as I know the only breeder of A.M.M. in the states.  Robert Russell is a very large and respected queen breeder.  You can check out his website and forum here.
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"AMM are great bees indeed... They are extremely strong and can over whelm other genetics in an apiary by simple natural selection... They are heavy robbers and produce more drones naturally than any other breed... That is why they have maintained their standing in the US even as millions of hives produce swarms of different strains each year... the AMMs (and hybrids with AMM in them) will rob everything else and produce enough drones that even what they do not kill will eventually start taking on their genetics.
 
I will say however, there are some concerns that one should have when keeping them... they are hard to keep near other colonies when there are no flows... during fall, they can rob weaker hives, but during winter, each warm day will pose a new threat... as your other colonies cluster and their numbers dwindle, the AMMs can take advantage of them as well.
 
With this in mind, keeping a good eye on your flows can prevent losses... placing entrance reducers during dirths will help greatly.... Also mending equipment that has holes in the corners...  Feeding can be risky too... and has to be done only during build up or right before each flow so that they dont start to rely on it, and thus start robbing when it runs out.
 
That being said... They are certainly the most adaptive bees that I have ever worked with."
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 08:38:10 PM »

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What a dreaming!

Englishmen spreaded their English bees everywhere where they went but it is not kept any more in those countries.

I had to keep German Blacks 25 years they were the most miserable bees. It is easier to handle varroa than that Black Devil.  Norway has plenty of GB hives in production.

When I had those Black Devils, they were not good robbers compared to Italians.
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