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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2011, 10:32:53 PM »

also a lot of the extra-Koranic teachings come from the Hadith.  that's interpretations and re-interpretations of the Koran and teachings of Mohamed. 
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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2011, 06:49:09 PM »

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Djaafari Chiism stinks to high heaven. Radical Chiists tell the world they wanna kill all the jews and destroy Israel. But is it really true?

The first thing that you should know about Radical Chiism or Djaafarism is that it had been founded by a Jew. Historical fact.

The second is a natural consequence of the first, that Djaafarism has a striking resemblance with orthodox Judaism.

The third is that it had totally perverted the teachings of the Prophet. Djaafari Chiists state for example that their Twelve Imams (like the twelve tribes of Israel) are better than Prophets and Angels..That the Angel Gabriel made an unforgivable mistake when he taught the Word of God to the Prophet instead of the Companion Ali, and they hate him just like orthodox Jews do! Tell that to any Muslim illiterate or whatever and he'll tell you it's pure disbelief.

Now if you have the slightest knowledge of the Islamic principles that you can find in any Islamic brochure this should strike your senses!

Djaafari Chiism has nothing to do with Islam and that's a fact.

I just want you to verify by yourself these three points before considering the Messiah thing and all the rest. You'll be amazed when you know who's the Messiah of the Chiia..
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2011, 08:02:02 PM »

I know what I believe in my heart and I am going to pray for all of you that you wake up tomorrow and you realize NONE of you are as smart as you think you are today. I love you all and I know that my God does too. He is a truly loving and just God. So loving that he gave you the choice. So just that he must abide by your choice.
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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2011, 01:01:08 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2011, 01:23:07 AM »

bristopen, there are any number of beliefs out there that some might consider odd.  that's OK.  Iran is a little different.  here you have a nation led by a man who believes that he has been chosen to usher in his "messiah".  he believes that chaos needs to be created, and that another nation needs to be destroyed in order for him to fulfill his mission.  when a leader has means and  motive, and when they have already demonstrated a willingness to fund and engage in terrorism, it's pretty clear that you have a present threat. 
the fact that he is advertising his intentions and acting on them, ought to get our attention.

wits end, you have a loving god, but there are plenty of unloving people out there.  i am smart enough to understand that.

jerrymac,  grin  did you get lost?
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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2011, 04:50:32 AM »

I'm always lost  grin
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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2011, 01:24:52 PM »

bristopen, there are any number of beliefs out there that some might consider odd.  that's OK.  Iran is a little different.  here you have a nation led by a man who believes that he has been chosen to usher in his "messiah".  he believes that chaos needs to be created, and that another nation needs to be destroyed in order for him to fulfill his mission.  when a leader has means and  motive, and when they have already demonstrated a willingness to fund and engage in terrorism, it's pretty clear that you have a present threat. 
the fact that he is advertising his intentions and acting on them, ought to get our attention.

wits end, you have a loving god, but there are plenty of unloving people out there.  i am smart enough to understand that.

jerrymac,  grin  did you get lost?

I've written the post of yesterday to prepare a background for my point of view.

I'm convinced that what the media wants us to believe about Iran and their plan to rule the world is a total hoax.

If you say you agree with what I've told you last night, I'll move on to back up my opinion. I like the subject.
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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2011, 01:35:46 PM »

i  looked for more info on Radical Chiism or DjaaDjaafari Chiismfari Chiism, and couldn't find much info.  is there a site that i can look at for more?  it's not something i am familiar with.
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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2011, 08:00:30 AM »

No problem.

Google "Imami Shiism" and "Khomeini" to begin with.

And give me some time to fetch you some good English written sites, I've done my research in the Arabic language.

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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2011, 09:46:19 AM »

ahhh!  this i know about.  just a different term/name?  exactly what the video and conversation was about.
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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2011, 10:38:26 AM »

I know, but the video is piece of propaganda not the truth of the matter. The majority think that Imami Shiia is a part of regular Islam and it's not.

Anyway, I'll PM you a link to some books.



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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2011, 10:55:13 AM »

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i'm not sure that's true here.  most people don't know anything about it and it's been ignored by the press.  even though Ahmadinejad and others have made public reference to it, no one here seems very interested in investigating the belief.
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« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2011, 11:40:39 AM »

Okay, that's your point of view. But it's got to be backed up with solid evidence.

The mainstream media propaganda machine is here on a specific purpose: Making me and you believe what they want us to believe. True or false it doesn't matter-I hope you read E.L. BERNAYS book: Propaganda.

I've been breathing that Shiism stuff for years and I know what I'm talking about. But I will not shove my conclusions down anybody's throat, I prefer discussion and arguments. If nobody's interested in it I'll spend my time somewhere else.

The world's history evolves around religions and cults and secret societies. If you're looking for the truth you must pass by religious matters whether you believe it or not and this has got a good reason..

It's gonna affect you! And I'm not talking about this particular matter only..

If you find that it's just a hoax you'll be happier at least!

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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2011, 12:26:00 PM »

i am not disagreeing with you (i don't think).  i am just saying that in this country, people are unaware of this.  our media does not report about it.
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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2011, 12:50:29 PM »

bristopen, i am curious about your opinion of what is happening in the middle east.  do you think it will turn out well for the people, or do you think it might end up like Iran?
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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2011, 02:27:13 PM »

Well, the people in your country, in mine and in the whole world aren't aware of too much things of serious concern for them and for their children. They watch TV all day long and they very seldom if ever read.

People who do not watch TV and Hollywood have a different lifetime experience.

And about my opinion concerning what's happening in the Muslim and Arab world I'll say it's complicated and a bit weird but I think it's common sense.

I do not believe in spontaneous revolutions. History tells us that every revolution in the world to this very day has been carefully planed by the few and executed by the "masses". All those revolutionaries yell Democracy and freedom all at the same time and everywhere.

Democracy is a step in the communist plan of Marx and Engels to rule the world.."The working men have no country" said Marx .It has the same philosophical background of totalitarianism that you find in socialism. Gorbachev said: "There's no Democracy without Socialism" and vice versa.

Those revolutions have been carefully planed by those who want International Communism. Therefore it's not gonna turn out well for the people., I guarantee you!

And by the way, what happens in your country is perpetrated by the same people . You hear your own politicians and congressmen talking Democracy in a constitutional country, isn't that strange?

That subject is a weird one and this is just a glimpse..

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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2011, 03:03:24 PM »

thanks.  i believe our opinions are about the same.  history may someday tell us that people in this country had a hand in getting it started.

we have always had Marxists here.  unfortunately, they are now in power.  some people are waking up to it, but it may be to late.

democracy is nasty business......
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« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2011, 03:55:32 PM »

Yea, right on the money!

But they're all over the place, not only this country..The world is a bad place isn't it?

And by the way, do you know that Marx is not a Marxist?!

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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2011, 05:03:05 PM »

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it took me a very long time to figure out how Marx/Engels ended up "Marxism".  Marx and Co. were academics and economists.  if you read their writings in that context it makes sense.  the theories of Marx were the bait for revolution. the theories sound good, but Marx had no real world experience....and perhaps, no common sense.

 Marxism is political.  Marxists dangle economic democracy, which even Karl knew would not work, in front of the masses to foment revolution.  people do not willingly swap one form of totalitarianism for another.
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« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2011, 02:12:37 PM »

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it took me a very long time to figure out how Marx/Engels ended up "Marxism".  Marx and Co. were academics and economists.  if you read their writings in that context it makes sense.  the theories of Marx were the bait for revolution. the theories sound good, but Marx had no real world experience....and perhaps, no common sense.

 Marxism is political.  Marxists dangle economic democracy, which even Karl knew would not work, in front of the masses to foment revolution.  people do not willingly swap one form of totalitarianism for another.

Good enough, but I didn't mean that scientific facet of Marxism.

I meant the religious one, Marx was not an Atheist. He presented his dogma to the fools and didn't believe in it, just like the Emperors' new Clothes. Marx was a satanist and belonged to a secret society, Freemasonry.

Nobody believes in Atheism, they just lie to each other and to the world.


I quote from: Marx and Satan, by Richard Wurmbrand, page 13:

Thus heaven I’ve forfeited,
I know it full well.
My soul, once true to God
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