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Author Topic: Pot calling the kettle black.....obama irony.  (Read 7600 times)
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2011, 07:29:01 PM »

george bush was one of the worst, if not the worst, president in the history of the usa...and certainly the most scandalous.  

obama has picked up right where bush and his capitalist cronies left off....

i wonder if bjorn was here calling george bush a bully back in the days when georgie was being a bully....or is bjorn just making this a dem vs. rep thing?  because philosophically the two are cut from the same cloth

they're all crooks, liars, thieves and pigs.  

hey fair enough....and i'll own my part in not knowing your back story with bush.  a great deal many people that supported bush (blindly or just for party reasons) are now on the front against obama.....obama is no better or worse than bush yet there's a storm of right wing folk who conveniently forget bush was as bad as they come.  so, i'm saying if you're saying this now about obama, i hope you had your jabs at bush as well....because he deserved them....


I never said they were not.

But I never was called an ENEMY by any previous president.

Sure politics are crooked. That is how the game is played. But please don't get too bogged down rationalizing my comments on past presidents, while acting or suggesting that because what we had previously, is excuse for what happens today. Obama is the current pres.

Typical that people seeming are complacent in the hand dealt, by slicing, dicing, and rationalizing what was previous dealt. This does seem to be how some get through life. And it is exactly how and why, so many were fooled by the next come along slick willie sweet talking fool who happened to suggest to some that hope and change comes about by a community organizer, by those thinking the government was going to take care of them.

I was not disillusioned by the last president, and I was not fooled by this idiot. And I certainly will not be fooled by the next "utopia society" snake oil peddler, selling bottles of "I'll close GITMO" as a campaign promise.  Wink

I always find it ironic how mentioning something of the current administration, it always flies right back with comments of "Bush". And we wonder why we can never move forward.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2011, 10:08:43 PM »

This guy has seemed to me to be the real deal since forever. He speaks nothing but the truth. The globalists and all the other candidates from both parties tried to ridicule him in the primary debates in 2008 like he was some tin foil hat wearing fool. Why did candidates from both parties do that? Because he was telling the secrets that the common man (us) was not ever supposed to know or realize. He was telling the truth straight up with no chaser! Everything he said in those days came to pass. And here in this video from just a day or two ago, he is still bringing it!

Floor Speech March 10 2011
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2011, 10:17:23 PM »

thebalvenie

instead of cutting and pasting, you need to do some research.  that was the longest piece of crap post i have ever seen, and i know you are better than that.  you could have made some valid points and there are plenty of things that bush really was responsible for that you could have taken issue with.  none of those things were in that mostly inaccurate rant.
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2011, 12:03:16 AM »

Kathy's right...cutting and pasting is pretty weak.  I didn't bother to read it.  I'd like to hear your opinion not someone else's, nor do I care to read War and Peace.
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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2011, 01:17:49 AM »

I think the tea party is a game changer for both sides (who HAVE gotten very comfortable in their roles).  I think after the same fashion that the American Communist Party folded itself into the Democratic party  (I'm just gonna offer that as a premise without substantiating it because I just don't want to present that much info)
The tea party, in spite of tons of inflated nonsense claims (product may contain nuts) is shaking up the status quo; I think for the better. - That's also why I think such a big deal is being made of the off-the-deep-end members - just attack propaganda because the media, the dems and the run of the mill repubs will have to deal with passionate citizens in the actual arena.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2011, 03:01:35 AM »

Well said Bee Happy. That's exactly what the Tea Party is...passionate American people who still believe the principles upon which this country was founded. The globalist controlled media and their paid for talking head trolls first attacked the Tea Party party labeling it a bunch of gun toting, racist extremist. When that didn't quite work they sent in their Republican arm led by Sarah Palin to infiltrate and hijack the movement as a perceived weapon against their Democratic arm. Pure political theater at it's best, but it fools over 75% of the people who are brainwashed into believing the false Left-Right Paradigm in the first place.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2011, 03:21:20 AM »

The first thing Hitler did after achieving total power was to make the First Day of May a German National Socialist Holliday called "May Day."  Lenin and Stalin gave Russian workers the same May Day holiday. 

On May 2nd Hitler abolished all independent German Unions and confiscated their assets.  Something Stalin also did on the anti capitalist front. 

The staunchest anti capitalist in history are German Emperor Kaiser William II, Storm Troop (SA) Commander Ernst Röhm, NAZI Party founder Gregor Strasser, and Strasser’s boss and chief accolade Adolph Hitler.

Some people just don't have a clue.  tongue
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2011, 12:12:51 AM »

The first thing Hitler did after achieving total power was to make the First Day of May a German National Socialist Holliday called "May Day."  Lenin and Stalin gave Russian workers the same May Day holiday. 

On May 2nd Hitler abolished all independent German Unions and confiscated their assets.  Something Stalin also did on the anti capitalist front. 

The staunchest anti capitalist in history are German Emperor Kaiser William II, Storm Troop (SA) Commander Ernst Röhm, NAZI Party founder Gregor Strasser, and Strasser’s boss and chief accolade Adolph Hitler.

Some people just don't have a clue.  tongue


People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Sadly, pretty much everything Hitler did has been repeated in America starting with 9/11. The self inflicted attack on the World Trade Center is the equivalent of Hilter setting fire to the Reichstag building. Everything that has happened since is a mirror image of the steps Hitler took for total domination of the German people.
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2011, 11:38:24 AM »

thebalvenie

instead of cutting and pasting, you need to do some research.  that was the longest piece of crap post i have ever seen, and i know you are better than that.  you could have made some valid points and there are plenty of things that bush really was responsible for that you could have taken issue with.  none of those things were in that mostly inaccurate rant.

hey kathyp
thanks for believing i am better than that...

i stand by my words and that list and others like it.....i could source many books that would back up my claim that bush is indeed the worst and most scandalous prez we've ever had....in fact i bet wikipedia would list as much.....it's a strong opinion i know and it does require some validation....but also remember it is just an opinion and not the gospel.

i called out bjorn because we've/i've seen a number of bush supporters come out and criticize obama for the very things bush did and they never threw bush under the bush nor in the fire.....

you've asked for some validation on my claims and given some time i'll BEE back Wink

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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2011, 06:07:15 PM »

I think rising gas prices are Obamas fault!! It's as high as it was when they were screaming at the former White House.
But I guess it's okay now.
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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2011, 06:15:00 PM »

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in fact i bet wikipedia would list as much

just don't use widipedia as a source or i'll have to do the catholic nun with the ruler thing to you  evil

do double check your list.  i think you'll find that much of it is false, at best stated in a misleading way, and stated in a way to be intentionally inflammatory.  i also checked that site and i can't believe you even used that site! 

i understand that your heart is with Ron Paul, but this is not a time for hearts.  it's a time for minds.  get your mind in the game.
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2011, 06:22:48 PM »

We need to stop encouraging those oil countries to over throw their governments. Then the oil price will go down.

But really, those with the oil sit back and wait for the speculators to speculate the cost of oil. Then they say, "OK let's do that."

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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2011, 06:32:25 PM »

if you were a widget maker and you heard that the price of the loompies that you needed to make your widgets was going to go up, you'd buy all the loompies that you could get your hands on.  by doing that, you'd cut the supply and the price would go up temporarily.  if the loompie fields turned out to have a bumper crop and there was no real shortage of loompies, the price would drop again and you would have paid a higher price because you guessed wrong.

so yes, speculators can have a temporary effect on price of something, but they are the ones taking the major risk.  in the end, unless the market is manipulated, the market sets the loompie price, not the speculator.
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2011, 08:33:54 PM »

so yes, speculators can have a temporary effect on price of something, but they are the ones taking the major risk.  in the end, unless the market is manipulated, the market sets the loompie price, not the speculator.

I weren't being serious  grin
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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2011, 08:38:44 PM »

what?  you don't like my loompies and widgets?? 
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2011, 08:54:02 PM »

What is a loompie?  Can they make my car go?

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Yeah, they usually drive the value of something up until a recession hits to drag the values back down.  Tech bubble, Internet bubble, housing bubble, etc.

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unless the market is manipulated

Enron, Goldman, S&P, The Banks, The Fed, Currency manipulations by the central banks, the Pump and Dumpsters.  When isn’t the market manipulated?

How high will oil go this time?
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2011, 09:03:57 PM »

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this kind of speculation takes place in commodities.  the others are simply things that were over hyped and over bought.  they are kind of speculated on by those buying stock, but that's not the same as buying the commodities. 

banking issues are different also, but yes they sure can be manipulated.  you need to distinguish between market manipulation by sales and purchases and manipulation by government through regulation and things like printing money.  all can have bad outcomes, but they do not have the same solutions.  in the first case, the market will generally take care of those businesses.  in the second, the market is kept out and government manipulation usually makes everything worse.


loompies can't be used to make your car go.  they are only a component of widgets.  widgets are amazing things and can by used for a multitude of things.  perhaps they could be used as fuel?   grin
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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2011, 09:37:31 PM »

what?  you don't like my loompies and widgets?? 
I like widgets...but I am anti-loompie.  Your company should be buying "Grandma Deknow's Loomplieless Widgets 'Twice the widgety goodness without that stale loompie odor'"

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2011, 09:44:53 PM »

I'll take Allen West, Marco Rubio (who does not want to run), or Ron Paul - provided they make the republican ticket. (I say this because of Ross Perot. -not the "throwing your vote away" nonsense - putting your voice forward IS NEVER a waste - might be a horrible choice but that's a different story - but because the conservative vote was split - can't let that happen again.)
Isn't that strange, a "racist" Tea Partier listing a black man and a cubano as his first two choices.
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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2011, 10:41:25 PM »

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send the specs on those. they sound like something the tree huggers around here would like.

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you can't put those three together.  the first two,  yes.  if you like the first two, there is no way you can support the clueless Paul.
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