Mike, I don't think you are understanding me. I'm trying to encourage you to be more effective in what you are doing...not to stifle you.
I'm not suggesting that you would sell out to the NHB.
A petition that demands unspecified action gets the attention of legislators. Legislators read the petition, and ask, "what should we do to make beekeepers (voters, supporters of agriculture) happy?" The NHB is right there to answer, the USDA researchers are there to answer, xerces is there...you are not.
In no way do I think you (or anyone) should conform to any establishment (we certainly don't), or should wait for regional or national groups.
I think you should do what you want....but I think you would do better to formulate what you think should be done and by whom.
And as long as they (the groups mentioned above) are the chosen few that actual do anything, promote themselves as the leaders, they will be exactly who they are. And we (the average beekeeper) will remain in the background, providing little more than lip service as cardboard cutouts with numbers that seemingly give tacit approval as seen by others.
I didn't go to a bunch of higher authorities of large national or commercial groups, which I certainly could of, and probably would of been an easier route in getting a petition up and running. I am pleading with the average beekeeper to give your support, get involved, and try to make a difference....while perhaps seeing the bigger picture and not getting bogged down with finer details of the effort.
But I see now trying to get beekeepers to sign a petition without needing to take into account each and every person out there and the way they would do it, is a task that to make this be a success...an effort with little chance of success.
Not clear enough, no facts to back up the statement, have not requested a concrete dollar figure, have not stated which chemicals should be banned, have not decided exactly what we may say to person who we may actually get a chance to talk too (whoever that may be), worried about other groups taking over......and it never stops.
You don't think this worthy....then don't sign the petition. You want to nitpick every detail...then don't sign the petition. But at this point, I have wasted enough time trying to appease some beekeepers, that until now has done little themselves except sit back and whine about things.
You know how it feels to take the time to make an effort such as this, and days later comments showing flaws of the effort (that could of been passed via PM) have been turned into bickering, turned into a discussion of how it will fail, and has cast a positive effort into something that thousands of beekeepers, as well as thousands of casual readers to this site, probably has them scratching their heads in amazement.
No doubt, whether a specific product to be banned was mentioned in the statement, a dollar figure, or any other specific demand, someone would of had a problem with it. I thought it was better to be general. I thought just doing a petition to be used by beekeepers as an educational tool, a petition to create some effect, a petition possibly supported by enough beekeepers and the public, to garner even a slight chance at a meeting in Washington, was the way to go. That it would not be limiting, or confined to details that could not be changed later. I see now that no matter the details, no matter the effort, that opening this up to the average beekeeper on this forum may of been a mistake.
Deknow...this is not directly at you. I understand what you are saying. And if I change this....someone has a problem with that. So I change it again...and new people have problems. And it never ends. If I ask 10 beekeepers to tell me how to do it....will I not get 11 replies. I just wish beekeepers could for once come together, understand that the next 9 guys standing next to them, all have different opinions, different ways of doing things. But that does not mean we all can't take a united step forward for a worthy cause. You think the beekeeper sitting on the fence that MIGHT of been inclined to get involved (even if it was to sign a petition which is not asking much)...may just rethink that approach after reading some of these over blown concerns? A real shame.