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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2011, 09:36:36 PM »

buzzbee - You make a great point.  Expanding on that, I'd like to see mandatory drug tests for ALL those on ANY public assistance program.  I just paid my taxes last week and it not only makes me sick to send that much money into our government, it makes me ANGRY.  I hate the fact that I worked my butt off all year just to have a big chunk of it go to people that don't need or deserve it.  This is income redistribution that Obama likes and I despise.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping out a hungry person.  In fact, I volunteer at the food bank my church runs every week.  What makes me really angry is when I'm in line at the grocery store and I watch the person in front of me pull out a foodstamp card while I'm buying my family ground chuck with my hard earned cash.  

Countryboy, would you give me some examples of the inconsistencies you say Beck is peddling?  Please.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2011, 09:51:12 PM »

I think the work  done by our legislators would  take a drastic turn if people were paid their complete wages and then asked to submit their tax checks 2 weeks before election time. April  is seven months before November.A lot people have no idea what the tax burden is ,all they look at is the net take home and the "tax refund" which many come to see as a gift instead of the overpayment that the government has used interset free up to the time the money is refunded.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2011, 10:00:04 PM »

Amen on both posts Mr. Ken
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2011, 11:47:05 PM »

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Caliphate? No, not likely. There were pan-African and pan-Arab movements in the 50s and 60s, and they went no where. There are many different countries, each with their own style of government (kings, dictators, elected dictators, strong-men, central military governments, control by local war lords, and a hand full of semi-democracies). The idea that the powers that be in each of these countries is going to turn control of their turf over to some hypothetical 'unity' government makes no sense at all.


that's not entirely accurate.  we are not talking about Arab and African movements.  we are talking about Islamists.   ..

Right, but the Caliphate requires pan-Arab unity as well as Muslim unity in the middle east. That isn't happening and I don't see it happening.  Politically, they are just as divided now as when the pan-Arabists fizzled out. And then there is the split between Sunni and Shia.

this need not be an indictment of the entire Muslim world, but it should be a warning that there are a large number of people who do not wish us well...  in fact, do not wish moderate Muslims well.

That's another good point - look at the Algerian civil war, or the Green uprising in Iran. More divisions that prevent the caliphate. The moderates and the fundamentalists are too busy fighting each other to form any caliphate that stretches from sea to shining sea.

The caliphate was formed at a time when the economy, culture, education, science and the arts were very strong in the Middle East. That provided the human capital and common vision that allowed for the development of an Empire on par with Rome. Today, that region totally lacks the essential ingredients.

The only real movement towards rebuilding a caliphate comes from bin Laden, and his strategy is transparent: get control over the Saudi Oil and the Pakistani nukes. Dealing with those problems requires that we not wet our pants over events in Egypt.
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 09:51:49 AM »

Beck is a right wing spin doctor who caters to FUD.

The country was founded upon classical liberalism (not current liberalism).  I like a lot of what Peter Schiff says.  I don't enjoy listening to Beck - whenever I have listened to him, I find inconsistencies and inaccuracies, and no matter how loud or insistent he is, he can't change facts with his rants.


schiff is awesome.  of course, being a ron paul guy myself, i'm naturally inclined to read and agree with most of schiff's writings at his site: europacific.net

http://www.europac.net/research_analysis/commentary_view/Peter%20Schiff

i don't spend a lot of time listening to beck or cooper or o'reilly or madow or olberman, et al

i do like to listen to ron paul and schiff on the youtube vids and watch their tv appearances on those aforementioned shows...i notice even cavuto has paul on a lot lately...i think it's great he's getting the exposure with the likes of beck all the way to jon stewart.  ron paul's message is a clear one: limited govt, end the fed, stop needless wars that bankrupt our country....

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2011, 09:56:35 AM »

also, some of you mentioned you like beck's take on history

thomas woods is also someone you might want to check out or at least given a bending ear...

here's a great piece: http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae11_3_4.pdf
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2011, 11:00:24 AM »

Boo Hoo....Sob...sniffff....Weep.

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Sob....Weep...Sob...Booo Hoooo

He's a fraud, pure and simple.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2011, 11:44:10 AM »

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Dealing with those problems requires that we not wet our pants over events in Egypt.


depends on what they do.  if they pull and Iran, it's something to worry about.  if not, i wish them well and much freedom.

it is true that there are a lot of factions in the Islamic world.  it is also true that among the growing ranks of the radicals, there is common goal.  if the goal is strong enough and the leadership is good enough, the factions will cease to matter.  + enough countries run by radicals shifts that balance by default.
what concerns me is that the western world has always failed to take threats from 'brown people' seriously.  we didn't get it with japan.  i think we don't get it now.

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He's a fraud, pure and simple.

it's ok to make a statement like that, but if you want to really make a point you probably should add some examples.  if you don't like him that's cool.  if you are going to call someone a fraud with nothing to back you up?  well....we all know about opinions, right?
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2011, 12:14:25 PM »

Okay, Kathy.  Here you go. Two sources:

Glenn Beck's Fake Crying Photoshoot


http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-sobbing-secrets-revealed

Why would anyone trust anything this snake oil salesman has to say after something like this.

He like Limbaugh and Hannity are not at all fact-based they are entertainers.

I make that claim based on the fact that they never really want to have a free and open discussion that gets to the facts.  They only want to push their agenda.  If you really listen to them when they have callers/guests with an opposing view they never let them fully express themselves.  They ALWAYS reinterpret them or in some way put words into their mouths.  Or, more often than not, they misrepresent their viewpoints by simplifying what they've actually said so they can discount it ( Google straw man argument) and then call them crazy and disconnect their call before they have a chance to set the record straight without being shouted down.

O'Reilly seems to have a bit of journalistic integrity.

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2011, 12:16:45 PM »

depends on what they do.  if they pull and Iran, it's something to worry about.  if not, i wish them well and much freedom.

Ah, but without large amounts of oil, they can't really pull an Iran. When Yemen or Somalia falls apart and becomes chaotic or radicalized, no one really cares because it doesn't have a major global effect. Without a resource like oil or nuclear weapons, seizing control of a small country doesn't get one much except responsibilities. The new local elite milk it for as much as they can, but they have to re-invest much of their profit in staying in power.  Iran can cause trouble because it has oil, but even there, it is limited, as most Sunni muslims cannot abide their Shiite ideology.

Egypt has a moderately large and powerful military, but one that is still far less than Israel's ... they would get their nose bloodied very quickly if they tried anything there. And their military and economy would slide into decay rather rapidly without US aid ... making them capable of relatively little.  

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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2011, 12:52:14 PM »

well, glad to see i have someone board with me that beck and the others are just indeed entertainers...and imo, they're phonies too....but still, if you all like beck or the rest of em then it is surely your right...i'm not here to pee on the fact one is able to find something they like about beck and share it......lord knows i do that myself with my heroes. 

that is all from me.

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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2011, 01:08:41 PM »

Beek4018 - That video was put out by THE YOUNG TURKS.  They are anti-American.  This is a video of a photo shoot making fun of those who say Beck is fake.  Put it into context.  Tell the truth.  I wonder if you really believe what you said.

You really are that gullable, aren't you?  I know you don't like the fact that someone is setting the record straight on our history.  Beck doesn't have any other agenda except to tell the truth. 

If you did know what that video was you should be ashamed of yourself for doing what the Socialists do everyday.  If Beck was spreading lies he would have been booted off the air long ago.  You know that you can do the same research he has done and find out all these things yourself.

Oh yeah, one more thing.  History is entertaining.  It's fun watching leftists squirm while they listen to someone unravel the tangled web of lies the leftists before them wove.
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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2011, 01:43:27 PM »



If Beck was spreading lies he would have been booted off the air long ago. 

And your saying this with a straight face? Seriously? So anything that anyone says is the bona fide truth simply because they are still on the air? Come on.

I've never watched the guy-don't know a thing about him but the practical side of me doesn't believe everything that I see on TV.
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2011, 03:07:54 PM »

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Ah, but without large amounts of oil, they can't really pull an Iran. When Yemen or Somalia falls apart and becomes chaotic or radicalized, no one really cares because it doesn't have a major global effect. Without a resource like oil or nuclear weapons, seizing control of a small country doesn't get one much except responsibilities

but, even though neither of those countries can do things on a global scale, both have been havens for radicals and jumping off points for jihadists.  the pirates out of Somalia are causing big headaches in shipping and the money they get in ransom is being funneled back into terrorist operations.  Yemen not only grows terrorists, but has been the point of origin for those joining larger jihadist groups...not to mention attacking our own navy.

it's less that any one of these countries are a problem, it's that the more of them that become controlled by radicals, the bigger the overall problem becomes. if Egypt can fall, so can Saudi Arabia.  their government is corrupt and not loved by the people.  the prevailing religious ideology in Saudi Arabia is every bit as radical as that in Iran.  while Sunni and Shiite may not collaborate, both are willing to funnel arms and money to the same radical factions.  in the end, they have the same goal.  might they end up fighting each other?  sure.  how is that better for any of us?
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2011, 03:19:05 PM »

"The crying was my idea, and Glenn was cool with trying it," photographer Jill Greenberg says. "We used mentholated balm to make his eyes tear up naturally. From then on it was acting on his part. He had fun with it and was a great sport."

this is a quote from the photographer.  they did it because people had made such fun of him for his crying so they decided to have some fun with it.

he's not a journalist.  niether are o'rilley and hannity.  for different reason, i'm not fans of  any of them, but i also know that they are not, and do not claim to be, journalists.  they are commentators.

i have no more problem with the positions they take as non-journalists, than i do with Olbermann or Matthews....also not journalists.
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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2011, 04:27:41 PM »

"The crying was my idea, and Glenn was cool with trying it," photographer Jill Greenberg says. "We used mentholated balm to make his eyes tear up naturally. From then on it was acting on his part. He had fun with it and was a great sport."

this is a quote from the photographer.  they did it because people had made such fun of him for his crying so they decided to have some fun with it.

he's not a journalist.  niether are o'rilley and hannity.  for different reason, i'm not fans of  any of them, but i also know that they are not, and do not claim to be, journalists.  they are commentators.

i have no more problem with the positions they take as non-journalists, than i do with Olbermann or Matthews....also not journalists.

correct. 

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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2011, 05:19:08 PM »

If Beck was spreading lies he would have been booted off the air long ago.  You know that you can do the same research he has done and find out all these things yourself.

HBW - Now who is being gullible?  LIES FEED THE FRENZY AND SELL ADVERTISING LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. OF COURSE HE HASN'T BEEN TAKEN OFF. HE'S FEEDING THE RIGHT WHAT THEY WANT AND HIS RATINGS ARE HUGE.  THAT'S NO INDICATOR OF HIS TRUTHFULNESS.  You are exactly the problem with the right and it's complete inability to traffic in anything remotely fact-based.  If the present anything like a fact it's ALWAYS out of context, an quickly spun to fit their agenda.

Yes it was posted by Young Turks. That's why I included two links. 

Besides, you can't claim that it was posted by Young Turks, who have it out for Beck ( insinuating a left wing conspiracy) and then say, oh, but it was Beck's idea.

And, regardless of whether it was a joke or not, it's pretty darn convincing and and almost indistinguishable from his on camera tear-fests where he whines about how much he loves this country. So why would we ever believe he was genuinely crying pn camera when we know he's capable of faking it? 

And if he'll go that far, who knows wat he'll fake for the sake of ratings.
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2011, 05:23:33 PM »

"The crying was my idea, and Glenn was cool with trying it," photographer Jill Greenberg says. "We used mentholated balm to make his eyes tear up naturally. From then on it was acting on his part. He had fun with it and was a great sport."

this is a quote from the photographer.  they did it because people had made such fun of him for his crying so they decided to have some fun with it.

he's not a journalist.  niether are o'rilley and hannity.  for different reason, i'm not fans of  any of them, but i also know that they are not, and do not claim to be, journalists.  they are commentators.

i have no more problem with the positions they take as non-journalists, than i do with Olbermann or Matthews....also not journalists.

Kathy, I would agree with you except ALL of them, Obermann and Matthews included do claim to be journalists/members of the media (insinuating journalist) when it suits their purposes, and then distance themselves from the responsibilities inherent in those positions when it conflicts with their agenda.  And Limbaugh and Hannity DO claim to present facts, and be fact-based. Limbaugh claims to be proven 98.3% right about everything.  It may be for humor and effect, but there are some stammering yutzes out there who believe it.

 
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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2011, 06:06:47 PM »

If Beck was spreading lies he would have been booted off the air long ago.  You know that you can do the same research he has done and find out all these things yourself.

HBW - Now who is being gullible?  LIES FEED THE FRENZY AND SELL ADVERTISING LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. OF COURSE HE HASN'T BEEN TAKEN OFF. HE'S FEEDING THE RIGHT WHAT THEY WANT AND HIS RATINGS ARE HUGE.  THAT'S NO INDICATOR OF HIS TRUTHFULNESS.  You are exactly the problem with the right and it's complete inability to traffic in anything remotely fact-based.  If the present anything like a fact it's ALWAYS out of context, an quickly spun to fit their agenda.

Yes it was posted by Young Turks. That's why I included two links. 

Besides, you can't claim that it was posted by Young Turks, who have it out for Beck ( insinuating a left wing conspiracy) and then say, oh, but it was Beck's idea.

And, regardless of whether it was a joke or not, it's pretty darn convincing and and almost indistinguishable from his on camera tear-fests where he whines about how much he loves this country. So why would we ever believe he was genuinely crying pn camera when we know he's capable of faking it? 

And if he'll go that far, who knows wat he'll fake for the sake of ratings.

well we've said our take on beck...it's up to others to come to their own conclusions.....we all subscribe to our own rhetoric, it'd be great to get everyone to our side, but in the end if they don't get it, we didn't give it.
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2011, 06:58:06 PM »

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well, i can't own what others believe.  i think it's up to each person to be smart enough to fact check no matter who they get info from.  i will give beck this:  he has given us info that should have been given by the MSM on the people in this admin and their relationships to the prez.  it doesn't matter whether you like obama or not.  this is info that we should have had before the election.  if it had been a republican presidential candidate associating with far right radicals, we would have known it.  the media would not have skipped telling all about it.  i distinguish between the news and the commentators and it seems that the commentators have ended up doing what the news should have done.  that's kind of sad.
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