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« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2011, 10:31:03 AM » |
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There is no 'one size fits all' solution to life or community very true and a large part of the reason for limited federal government and more power to the state. with different state, you have choices about the kind of community you live in. with an all powerful fed, you don't. |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2011, 03:20:03 PM » |
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didn't want to start a new thread, but thought this might fit here. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,745526,00.html |
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2011, 04:28:31 PM » |
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Not arguing that the MB are a nice group of fellows, only that they are a minority opinion in Egypt. In the 2005 elections, the brotherhood got 20% of the seats. Trying to block democracy and any attempt to reform Egypt's society will only weaken the moderates and feed the extremists. |
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« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2011, 04:35:47 PM » |
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did you note in the article that he wants true democracy? do you know what that means?
to tell the truth, i am less worried about Egypt except that i am not happy to see so many covered women in those crowds. that's an indication that stricter adherence to Islamic law is in the ascendancy. i am more worried about the rest of the middle east and what is happening. i see democracy Venezuelan style coming to most of those countries.
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"Nay, it [this constitution of government] must perish, if there be not that vital spirit in the people, which alone can nourish, sustain, and direct all its movements. It is in vain, that statesmen shall form plans of government, in which the beauty and harmony of a republic shall be embodied in visible order, shall be built up on solid substructions, and adorned by every useful ornament, if the inhabitants suffer the silent power of time to dilapidate its walls, or crumble its massy supporters into dust; if the assaults from without are never resisted, and the rottenness and mining from within are never guarded against. Who can preserve the rights and liberties of the people, when they shall be abandoned by themselves? Who shall keep watch in the temple, when the watchmen sleep at their posts? Who shall call upon the people to redeem their possessions, and revive the republic, when their own hands have deliberately and corruptly surrendered them to the oppressor, and have built the prisons, or dug the graves of their own friends?
– Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," Volume II, Chapter XIII: Mode of Passing Laws, Sections 900-901, pp. 364 (1833)
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« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2011, 07:19:49 AM » |
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Qaradawi advocates establishing a "United Muslim Nations" as a contemporary form of the caliphate and the only alternative to the hegemony of the West Oh, my!! A mini United Nations for the Muslim countries so they can spend endless hours debating the wording of resolutions and accomplish nothing. Well, at least he is a pragmatist ... that is one form of the caliphate that actually could be established (if it doesn't collapse in arguments over which country gets to host it, which design for the building gets chosen, who gets to make the seating chart, etc.). |
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