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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2011, 08:09:53 PM »

beek4018 - You're a liberal.  I get that, but don't say Beck is peddling lies when you haven't researched what he says for yourself.  I know you haven't and you do too.  I know you haven't because I have.  The things that Glenn Beck talks about exposes the liberal agenda for what it is.  A dangerous and unconstitutional mindset bent on the dustruction of the United States.  It's clear why you don't like him and why you don't do the research he has.  Liberals want to rule everyone or be ruled by one.  As a Libertarian I don't want either.  That's right folks, I'm a Libertarian.  I want government to get out and stay out of my business.  That includes the liberals desire to micromanage my life thru socialism. 
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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2011, 08:32:37 PM »

As Neal Boortz says on his show, "Don't believe a thing you hear here (on his show), until you research it for yourself.  Most things stated are true.
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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2011, 08:36:16 PM »

funny thing....glenn beck says the same thing  grin
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2011, 08:46:23 PM »

Countryboy, would you give me some examples of the inconsistencies you say Beck is peddling?  Please.

I just pulled up a transcript of his Caliphate babble. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/transcript/who-wants-caliphate-middle-east

"Groups from the hardcore socialist left and extreme Islam and communism will work together because of the common enemy of capitalism and the Western way of life.

It's not just capitalism, it's not the United States, it's your way of life in the West. And I stand by that."

And it's complete bull.  The Middle Easterners could care less about your way of life and capitalism.  You don't see them trying to blow up Canadian and Swedes and the Swiss for their freedoms and capitalism.  Folks in the Middle East hate us because we go meddling in other countries, installing governments that hurt the people, just so we can make profits.

But I digress.

One only needs to look at how Beck is so opposed to people deciding for themselves what government they want.  Yet he turns around and talks about how great our constitution is, which is founded on exactly the same principle of allowing people to decide for themselves what government they have.

He's also delusional about Iran.  Since the revolution of 1979 how many countries has Iran invaded militarily?  How many nations has the US invaded?

He's the right wing mind that the US can do no wrong - which is inconsistent with reality and flat out delusional.
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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2011, 09:00:51 PM »

Noed conservative Bill Kristol recently blasted Beck for his hallucinations related to Egypt:

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KRISTOL: Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign of health that a political and intellectual movement does not respond to a complicated set of developments with one voice.

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, of short-sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American conservative tradition.

Curiously enough, Beck is a big fan of Cleon Skousen, who was in fact a member of the John Birch Society and wrotes all manner of kooky books about conspiracies and end-time prophecies. Skousen at one point got so demented he accused his own church (the Church of Latter Day Saints, aka Mormons) of being controlled by the communists... this was after they decided to allowed blacks to hold the priesthood. 


funny thing....glenn beck says the same thing  grin

Even funnier, so does Randi Rhodes, and she is somewhere between far-left and extremely far left.
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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2011, 09:07:20 PM »

Well, I'll just place Countryboy squarely in the liberal category too it seems.

I don't know what Bill Kristols beef is with Glenn yet.  I'm wondering if Glenn is having an impact on his readership.  There's more to that story.  Stay tuned.  I must admit that I was surprised to here Kristol come out against him. 

I could be that Kristol has been a wolf in sheeps clothing all these years too.  We'll just have to wait and see on that one.
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« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2011, 09:15:50 PM »

Well, I'll just place Countryboy squarely in the liberal category too it seems.

I'm actually an anarcho-capitalist libertarian....but I won't be offended if you call me a classical liberal.
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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2011, 09:17:15 PM »

for anyone interested in what the Muslim brotherhood believes try Jihad is the way  by Mustafa Mashhur.  he's written a couple of books that are the text books for the movement.  they are not now, nor have they ever been, peaceful.  they have learned that they can get power through political means, but they are entirely content to shed blood, or support those who do when it is expedient.

i believe the above book is available in .pdf format online.  don't know about his others.  you can read and make up your own mind about whether or not they are something to be concerned about.
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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2011, 09:32:33 PM »

I think everyone needs to read things like kathyp just mentioned.  If people would take time to read and listen to them in their own words, a lot more people would understand the threat they pose.
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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2011, 10:32:22 PM »

beek4018 - You're a liberal.  I get that, but don't say Beck is peddling lies when you haven't researched what he says for yourself.  I know you haven't and you do too.  I know you haven't because I have.  The things that Glenn Beck talks about exposes the liberal agenda for what it is.  A dangerous and unconstitutional mindset bent on the dustruction of the United States.  It's clear why you don't like him and why you don't do the research he has.  Liberals want to rule everyone or be ruled by one.  As a Libertarian I don't want either.  That's right folks, I'm a Libertarian.  I want government to get out and stay out of my business.  That includes the liberals desire to micromanage my life thru socialism. 

HBW - I love hearing people say they are Libertarian.  To me there usually just bleep Conservatives who won't commit.

You want gov't out of your business.  Did you or your kids go to public schoo?  Do you ever drive on public roads, use a public water system, or public septic system?  Do you rely on the FAA to keep you safe when you fly?  Do you have American dollars in your bank account? 

If you answered yes to any of that those questions ten shut your hole about getting the gov't out of your business.

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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2011, 11:16:48 PM »

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HBW - I love hearing people say they are Libertarian.  To me there usually just bleep Conservatives who won't commit.

You want gov't out of your business.  Did you or your kids go to public schoo?  Do you ever drive on public roads, use a public water system, or public septic system?  Do you rely on the FAA to keep you safe when you fly?  Do you have American dollars in your bank account? 

If you answered yes to any of that those questions ten shut your hole about getting the gov't out of your business.

oh look.  typical liberal fall back position.  guess we are saved from getting a real verbal whoopin by the word filter   grin

what i as a conservative want is for the federal government to stick to it's constitutionally  mandated jobs.  everything else should be left to the states and the individual.  public schools?  they pretty much suck, don't they?  ditto the roads.  that is both a state and federal problem.

as for the alphabet agencies, most of them need to go.  the FAA might get a pass only because how we run our air fleets has international implication. 

so yes, if the feds were doing what they are supposed to do, and not doing all the other crap they do and force us to pay for, i'd be a happy camper.
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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2011, 06:47:09 AM »

Folks,watch the tone of your conversations here. I see the word filter  bumped a couple times. Please refrain from bad language and personal attacks.
It will not be tolerated.
Feel free to carry on the topic,but be civil.
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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2011, 08:52:22 AM »


You want gov't out of your business. 
Federal, mostly.  I don't have a beef with state or local governments.  Other than the usual fiscal issues they're having.  But they don't pose a threat since I can move.

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Nope.  Huge issues there, but my reasons not to are religious.

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Do you ever drive on public roads, use a public water system, or public septic system? 
By and large the majority are maintained (and paid for) by state and local governments.

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Do you rely on the FAA to keep you safe when you fly? 
No, haven't flown in years.  But then again, nobody here is disputing the need for government.  What the government does and how intrusive it is is at issue.  Placing huge mandates on every person and employer is in most of our opinions way over the edge.

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If you answered yes to any of that those questions ten shut your hole about getting the gov't out of your business.

There is way too much business that they are getting into that they don't belong in.  If you think that just because they are responsible for a few things in our life that they should have ultimate control over everything we do, then you have issues and should just head on down to Venezuala or to Myanmar.
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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2011, 10:11:02 AM »

Sorry for the screed.

And I don't believe that government should control everything or even most things.  And if you are honest with yourselves you'll admit that most liberals do not want that either ( or every baby to be aborted, or every soldier pelted with vegetables) any more than every conservative is a gun toting redneck SOB.  Most everybody falls somewhere in between.

But I do get really cheesed off at people who claim they want the government to stay out of their business and only do the things they personally "need".  Well we live in a melting pot and lots of people have lots of different "needs".  If you had a kid with autism, I guarantee you'd suddenly be happy to see the government spending research money there, or subsidizing your child's therapy so you didn't have to starve your other kids to pay for it.

As for sticking to their constitutional mandate ( and/or being a strict constitutionalist)....Kathy if you really wanted to go back t the original Constitution, I'd have to say, sweetie...pookey...honeybun it doesn't matter the least little bit what you think because you're a WOMAN, and suddenly in the world you praise so highly, you have no right to vote.

Yes, I know you'll say that's not what I mean.  I want the Constitution the way it is right now, with all my "good" rights and freedoms, and none of the "bad" obligations, commitments, or things I disagree with.  It doesn't work that way.  After our first birthday party we almost never get everything we want, when we want it, how we want it.  People have other opinions, and other needs and expectations of their government.  It doesn't make them Un-American, or bad people.
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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2011, 10:49:39 AM »

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But I do get really cheesed off at people who claim they want the government to stay out of their business and only do the things they personally "need".  Well we live in a melting pot and lots of people have lots of different "needs".  If you had a kid with autism, I guarantee you'd suddenly be happy to see the government spending research money there, or subsidizing your child's therapy so you didn't have to starve your other kids to pay for it.

we do not live in a melting pot.  we live in America. if i had a kid with autism, i would not expect you to pay for my misfortune.  i would not be happy to have the federal government paying for the care or research.  my child, my job.  your child, your job.  do you have any idea how many resources are sucked up in the public school system federally mandated with special education programs?  if a state wants to do it, or help you with your cost, thats fine.  it is not the job of the feds to do it.



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As for sticking to their constitutional mandate ( and/or being a strict constitutionalist)....Kathy if you really wanted to go back t the original Constitution, I'd have to say, sweetie...pookey...honeybun it doesn't matter the least little bit what you think because you're a WOMAN, and suddenly in the world you praise so highly, you have no right to vote.

history lesson:  both slavery and womens right to vote were CORRECTED on a national level by amendments to the constitution.  neither condition were previously enshrined in the constitution, but were determined by states.


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Yes, I know you'll say that's not what I mean.  I want the Constitution the way it is right now, with all my "good" rights and freedoms, and none of the "bad" obligations, commitments, or things I disagree with.  It doesn't work that way.  After our first birthday party we almost never get everything we want, when we want it, how we want it.  People have other opinions, and other needs and expectations of their government.  It doesn't make them Un-American, or bad people.

i want the constitution as it is now.  there are a couple of  ways that the constitution can be changed. all of the changes to it have been legally made.  the current constitution is the law of the land. if it were followed, most of what the government does, it would not be doing.  
no one has said you are un-American or bad.  you are simply mis-informed about what your federal government should/can do.  you accept regulation and taxation on things because you believe it is in your best interest....or, like some, maybe you feel you are not capable of providing for yourself.



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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2011, 11:09:09 AM »

Kathy,

That was point.  You and others like you who claim some level of constitutional scholarship, and have some nostalgic view of the original constitution always manage to ignore the things we have corrected and made better since then.  It as NOT a failed document, but intended to grow and change as we changed.  THAT was the original intent of the founding fathers.  To forget that they intended for us to amend as needed to reflect our current society is to fail entirely at constitutional scholarship.

And while we are on the subject of slavery and women's right's.

I bet on first blush you'd ay it is wrong to take power away from one person and bestow it on someone else. You'd be flat unconditionally wrong.

We took power from white me when we gave women and blacks the right to vote.

And, again. you are wrong about the un-Amreican thing.  HBW clearly stated that liberals want to destroy America.  If that's not branding many of us un-Ameican, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2011, 11:35:11 AM »

beek4018 - You're an American all right, but have you ever heard of the enemy within?  I have a different view of America and therefore want America to go in a different direction than liberals.  So yes, I do think if America went in the direction liberals want to take us, then America would be destroyed.  

You know, I don't want to be banned from beemaster.com for expressing my beliefs and possibly having them interpreted as personal attacks, so I'm no longer going to comment on this thread.  I did not foresee this thread going in this direction as did the thread I started about forced inspections.  

It's a real waste of time on all of our parts to continue this thread.  We are not going to change anyone's opinions.  I will now be more reluctant to start any thread dealing with anything except bee related issues.  There are a lot of interesting subjects I'd love to discuss that have nothing to do with bees and I think beemaster.com would be an excellent place to have those conversations.  The people here, on both sides, come across as articulate, intelligent individuals, but with vastly different political views.  I didn't join beemaster.com to defend my personal views.  There are other sites more appropriate for this type of argument.  I want to thank all of you for commenting.  It has been enlightening.
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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2011, 11:40:53 AM »

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That was point.  You and others like you who claim some level of constitutional scholarship, and have some nostalgic view of the original constitution always manage to ignore the things we have corrected and made better since then.  It as NOT a failed document, but intended to grow and change as we changed.  THAT was the original intent of the founding fathers.  To forget that they intended for us to amend as needed to reflect our current society is to fail entirely at constitutional scholarship.

don't think i ever said anything about "original constitution".  i said the constitution was the law of the land and should be followed.  that would include the amendments.
yes, the founders knew that some changes would need to be made.  as an example, most were against slavery, but knew they couldn't get out of the conventions with slavery prohibited in the constitution at that time.  
they made a couple of ways that the constitution could be amended.  they also made those ways difficult so that it could not be changed on a whim.  one of the ways to change the constitution was not simply ignoring it.

it is important to understand why the constitution was written the way it was.  to do that, you have to understand the founders.  to do that, you have to read A LOT because the wrote a lot.  the constitution is a pretty short document.  it defined the branches of government and their responsibilities and more importantly, it limits the role of the federal government.  the role was further defined and limited by the bill of rights.  

if the country does not want to stick by the constitution, they can call for a constitutional convention and dump the thing.  until then, they need to follow the law.
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« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2011, 11:54:20 AM »

Countryboy, would you give me some examples of the inconsistencies you say Beck is peddling?  Please.

I just pulled up a transcript of his Caliphate babble. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/transcript/who-wants-caliphate-middle-east

"Groups from the hardcore socialist left and extreme Islam and communism will work together because of the common enemy of capitalism and the Western way of life.

It's not just capitalism, it's not the United States, it's your way of life in the West. And I stand by that."

And it's complete bull.  The Middle Easterners could care less about your way of life and capitalism.  You don't see them trying to blow up Canadian and Swedes and the Swiss for their freedoms and capitalism.  Folks in the Middle East hate us because we go meddling in other countries, installing governments that hurt the people, just so we can make profits.

But I digress.

One only needs to look at how Beck is so opposed to people deciding for themselves what government they want.  Yet he turns around and talks about how great our constitution is, which is founded on exactly the same principle of allowing people to decide for themselves what government they have.

He's also delusional about Iran.  Since the revolution of 1979 how many countries has Iran invaded militarily?  How many nations has the US invaded?

He's the right wing mind that the US can do no wrong - which is inconsistent with reality and flat out delusional.



this topic about meddling in others' affairs has been done here....and the topic for some reason doesn't get much ground.  America continually tries to play both sides of the fence and now, in Egypt, they hate us more than ever.  foreign aid and over 600 military bases across the globe complete and utter hogwash.  financing wars and other country's govts is unsustainable and is a dangerous game.

dying to win, by ropert pape takes a fact based and critical look at blowback (the unintended consequences of military intervention)

and yes countryboy, we the people finance wars so others can get rich off of it....i just don't get how liberals or conservatives couldn't see that our govt is corrupt and broken....it'll take a revolution and hopefully some civil disobedience to get back to something we started with....

we're all beekeepers and we love the life they bring and cherish each little bee......we nourish and comfort them.....if only some transference could take place to our neighbors and the communities around us...we beekeep cause i think deep down we know we're in for some terrible fall.....we want to be sustainable....honey is a wonderful thing. oops i'm rambling

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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2011, 12:21:07 PM »

i don't know what glenn beck said but there is a logical reason for Marxists and theocracies to gravitate toward one another.  they share the same ideals when it comes to government and social welfare.  just as the communists and fascists found that there was not much difference between them, so too do the Marxists groups and Islamists find there is little difference between them.

Islam, Catholicism, and Judaism are not just religions, but have been or are, forms of government.  top down government. 
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