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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2011, 11:19:59 AM »
we may have to wait and see what hardwood posts as results - it would be hard to find out without a side by side comparison in the same season.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2011, 08:35:11 PM »
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Two questions:   

1st:  That is 2-Q right?
2nd:  Do you have a problem with rain going down beside the supers?

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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 09:40:55 PM »
<1st:  That is 2-Q right?>

Yes on 2 Queens
<2nd:  Do you have a problem with rain going down beside the supers?>

I do not know
  The only 2 Queen hives I have use is the one using the Snellgrove Board.


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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2011, 09:57:25 PM »
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So if you use the Snellgroove broad do you have it so the bees bringing in honey can not go down to the queen areas or do you keep both the top and bottom entrances on the Snell open at the same time?
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2011, 11:49:22 PM »
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You may not need a side by side to compare, if this was your only.  With experience you know how much the avg hive at your home brings in.  If this set up does not produce more than twice the amount of two seperate hives then it's not worth the trouble.  But that said, you really need more than just this setup in your apiary, for emergencies.

That's fair, I'm just figuring that if the final count is within a few pounds that it could easily be attributed to a slight variation within the season.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2011, 07:17:35 AM »

Jim

So if you use the Snellgroove broad do you have it so the bees bringing in honey can not go down to the queen areas or do you keep both the top and bottom entrances on the Snell open at the same time?

1 hive  is on top and 1 hive as on the bottom
The reason I use a 2 Queen hive is for (Comb Honey section boxes)to get more bees in to the Supers it work well for me.

   
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2011, 09:28:02 AM »
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If this set up does not produce more than twice the amount of two seperate hives then it's not worth the trouble.

I would think that if the numbers were that good the commercial beeks would use nothing but this system.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2011, 03:32:35 PM »
I would think that if the numbers were that good the commercial beeks would use nothing but this system.

How do you come up with that conclusion from the quote you gave?

Why do you infer 'if the commercial guys don't do it it's not worth doing'?

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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2011, 03:54:22 PM »
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How do you come up with that conclusion from the quote you gave?

Did I misread the quoted phrase?  If you can get twice as much honey using one method vs. another wouldn't you go that way as a commercial beek that sells honey?

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Why do you infer 'if the commercial guys don't do it it's not worth doing'?

I didn't infer that at all.  If I inferred anything it is the disbelief that the yields would be so favorable for a tower set up.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2011, 06:48:47 PM »
Did I misread the quoted phrase?

Yep. You sure did

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  If you can get twice as much honey using one method vs. another....?

That's not what was said.
Noone has said you could get twice as much.

Go back and read it slowly one word at a time.

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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2011, 07:34:07 PM »
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2011, 09:12:59 PM »
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If this set up does not produce more than twice the amount of two seperate hives then it's not worth the trouble.

This is a quote is it not?  Maybe you should read a little slower.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2011, 11:00:45 PM »
Ok, you win.

I'm probably re-asking a question, but does it measurably increase production over 2 separate hives. (I can imagine how it would create full supers faster, but I'm talking overall net increase)

Armucheebee was responding to 2 different posts by Bee Happy, but twisted his words up a little and didn't proof his rough draft.
I knew what he meant, I think everyone else (but you) did too.

Do you really think Armucheebee meant:


If 1-hive .........................................produces 150lbs
2-separate hives ..............................produce   300lbs total

then a 2-queen tower hive needs to ....produce   600+lbs

or it isn't worth it?

If it produced just 50lbs more it would be worth it for me.
I like the idea of packing in the comb honey supers quickly.

It might actually be less work than Killion's way of comb honey  production.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2011, 04:28:38 AM »
I'm gonna take back what I said about having side by side comparisons too - last year was my second beekeeping year and the first time I had any significant amount of honey; I had 2 hives  "the same" (they started out the same and as far as I could tell had similar strength in numbers) One hive filled and capped a super a week for four weeks - the other hive filled and capped 2.  Without a bee counter at the doorstep and who knows how many other factors. Outside of the little experience I had, I had no way of knowing a difference between them.
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2011, 09:37:57 AM »
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Do you really think Armucheebee meant:


If 1-hive .........................................produces 150lbs
2-separate hives ..............................produce   300lbs total

then a 2-queen tower hive needs to ....produce   600+lbs

or it isn't worth it?

Yes I did.  I am on a learning curve so if something is misspoken and it doesn't make sense to me I am going to question it.  And even if it isn't misspoken I am bound to question.

So would you expect a greater yield from a tower set up?  Is there other documented advantages to a tower set up other than removing drone brood?
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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2011, 08:22:12 PM »
I would think that if the numbers were that good the commercial beeks would use nothing but this system.

  I see you have not keep bees commercial  :roll:


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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2011, 10:13:57 PM »
I'm so mixed up after reading all this I'm not sure what I said....but what I meant is:

 if two single queen hives; hive A makes 50 lbs, hive B makes 50 lbs, and then hive C is a two-queen setup it should make more than 100 lbs for it to be equal and above the yield of two single queen hives. 

they take a little more care and time so "worth" means time and work load for me.  a two Q hive would need to make more than what two single Q hives would produce for me to feel like it was worth MY time.

I would bet the commercial keepers would not want to fool with the maintainence and transport of a two-queen hives--is that right?

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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2011, 06:59:18 AM »

I would bet the commercial keepers would not want to fool with the maintainence and transport of a two-queen hives--is that right?

   Commercial Beekeepers  do not have the TIME fool with or maintainence  two-queen hives.


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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2011, 09:22:48 AM »
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Commercial Beekeepers  do not have the TIME fool with or maintainence  two-queen hives.

Can you elaborate on that please.  What I am seeing of a two queen hive (tower) is it is actually two separate hives with one common section that are all supers.  If something is common than that should mean there is less equipment involved.  I am obviously missing something here.

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Re: Fighting Queens
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2011, 10:01:51 PM »
but many comm. keepers move their hives during the year.  so having that setup would be difficult to move and if you unsupered them you would have queenless bees in those supers as they were moved.  i have not kept bees comm. but I can see lots of issues arising from the 2-Q setup that I can only imagine.  single stacked hives can be put on a pallet neatly and hauled off in a few minutes--time is money.
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